Again some people who carried LGBT flag were arrested during some football match as far as I know, I saw it on Telegram.

Also, again some laws on banning ‘‘LGBT pRoPaGaNdA’’ were signed by government and Putin I think, they won’t shut up about it. What is up with this?

Not certain if there would be a point in an any further discussion of the topic, but I can not help but think of the quote: “We must never stop explaining.” Because opposing forces can, do, and will further weaponize any disagreements and splits.

While I agree with Ratette and Kanzler that queer people shouldn’t be expected to argue for their very existence and basic respect, and that this is reason enough to ban someone, I would like to offer you a bit more of a Marxist take on the situation.

This thread was asking about a specific social relation: the oppression of queer people in Russia.

The comments then, were a place for people to discuss the historical and material conditions that led to this social relation.

This particular user’s tantrum showed anger at the very existence of the discussion. If someone is unwilling to engage with (or more, is angry at the very existence of) a discussion about the material and historical conditions that give rise to social relations, I struggle to see what a Marxist-Leninist forum has to offer them, and more, what they have to offer a Marxist-Leninist forum.

Lemmygrad is a confederation of communities bound together by the social contract stipulated in the main site’s rules. In the course of one comment, despite knowing full well it would get them banned, this user engaged in sectarianism, bigotry, disrespect, and promoted and fueled the very division they were railing against.

Such behaviour is a direct contradiction with the social dynamics of the agreed-upon forum rules, and as such, the most prudent course to resolve the contradiction was to ban the user, and thus reinforce the social contract that we all must agree upon when creating accounts here.

If the user were to resolve some of their own internal contradictions (such as promoting division by arguing against division, claiming themself as an ML while refusing discussions about historical and material conditions leading to social relations, promoting capitalist ideals of cisheteronormative family structures in a misguided attempt at subsuming such capitalist structures within communism which could lead only to continued class disparity and thus never true communism) they would be more than welcome to return.

In fact, nothing stops them from making a new account right now, and engaging once more, provided they have, at the least, resolved enough of their internal contradictions to have learned to keep such thoughts to themself or else face a repeat ban.

Opposing forces can, do and will weaponise anything, just as you say. I do not see why it is worth to expend energy on such morons. Remember, Pareto’s principle. Use your energy among 5 people who are willing to listen and be humble, instead of 1 who refuses to.

If someone comes in and tells me “you’re mentally ill, you don’t deserve to exist,” I don’t see why I need to justify my existence to them


Kind stone: “I’ve showed you my bigotry, now justify your existence.”

Ratette (she/her)

"Have you tried explaining it to us through polite and considered discourse?

We won’t listen to you but as an oppressed minority its technically your responsibility to educate us oppressors as we are far too busy oppressing to do it ourselves."


Imagine running someone over and then telling them to ring the ambulance because only they can explain the situation properly 🤣

Ratette (she/her)

Right, but I don’t stop explaining.

I just don’t do it to walls.

This is one of those situations where I shouldn’t have to put myself into a traumatising engagement to explain to someone who doesn’t want to listen in the first place.

I’m not achieving anything and in this situation it’s clear that even if I did the person won’t listen or trust me on it.

I’ve dropped enough walls of text in the past and on this thread to articulate why their position is untenable as have others.

This wasn’t a “someone explain it” scenario.

It was “this is my position and I’m not changing it”.

Explaining isn’t going to help right now and only make me feel worse and any other affected party who has to sit and engage or read the back and forth.

Allies can pick up the slack in these situations but I’d not expect anyone to just piss their time away on someone who isn’t ready or willing to listen and learn.

There’s enough comments and explanations in this thread and one user even offered sources and reading material.

To maintain this “uwu we must never stop explaining” veneer just feels the same energy as libs telling people to keep voting and trust the system will work. It won’t and when the material evidence suggests that explaining won’t do any good then I don’t think I or anyone else is at fault for writing someone off as a lost cause because they chose to take that position when they dropped their stupid rant.

I feel you mean well in your comments but my existence because of homophobia and transphobia is fundamentally affected and negative as a result of the aforementioned views and takes.

I have to be aware of people in public and put safety behaviours and actions in place to protect myself from people who share those views whether that be from physical assault or verbal.

There’s genuinely places I can’t go at certain times because I could be hurt as a result of bigotry.

Having to deal with that daily and thats not even including all the systemic bigotry and discrimination and then to have people erase my oppression or act like it’s not a big deal when it’s purportrated and enabled by those same people is enough to make you sick with anger.

Imagine if white people went to globally southern countries “well you haven’t considered our contextual factors in why we support colonialism and I can’t help but feel you as the colonised need to explain more to help us understand despite us making fully clear we won’t listen” lmao.

We’d all be flipping out over white chauvinism, coloniser mindsets and racism so why am I as a queer person expected to do the same to a homophobe?

The point is we don’t waste our time with coloniser libs if they aren’t engaging in good faith but there’s an expectation on queer people to confront their oppressors constantly and explain to them why they are wrong and that feels hypocritical that we are expected by the majority to kindly tolerate their bigotry and address it daily when the majority can’t even be bothered to meet us half way.

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