They gotta have a reason to pull out so they can focus on starting a war with China. They know the clock is ticking to stay in power. They threw away too much resources on this. They have to try and find some way to hold onto their power.
Yeah, and RAND recently published a study basically saying the same thing. In my opinion, it’s already past the point where US can take on China militarily, but it’s not past the point where US understands that yet.
Wouldn’t they want this happening when something starts with china? I feel like it would overall be a benefit for the west, specifically after Russia’s doubling down and mobilization. If Russia is at full military capacity when things pop off with china they would totally get involved.
The West cannot afford to keep pumping supplies into Ukraine AND turn all focus onto China. A proxy war with Russia is one thing. Russia can hold its own but China’s military is booming and accelerating. With tech that, in many cases, is starting to, or already does, surpass the wests.
Since there is no way for Ukraine to hold on without western supplies then they will loose regardless when the west pulls out. However the “harder” they loose the less there is for the western oligarchy to plunder. So they are trying to shut things down as quickly and painlessly (for them) as possible.
In other words telling them to put more men into the meat-grinder, there are too many left alive who could be used as fodder to weaken Russia and deplete their weapons.
Given Zelenskyy’s power and position relies on pleasing western masters I do think they’re going to get fanatical here soon, real fall of the third reich type fascist desperation and frenzy. Lots of guys who don’t want to be there pushed into the grinder with force while the fascists hang back and hope to cut and run once it gets too bad as I’m sure many of them have future positions waiting in the Nazi Arming Training Organization or Canada or the US.
US is absolutely going to cut and run. In fact, this could be the start of a pretext for doing that. They know that Ukraine can’t achieve any significant victories, and this gives them an excuse other than having to admit that NATO ran out of production capacity.
These three papers in particular strongly indicate that US is going to pull out soon:
US hawks are starting to become worried that this war weakens US globally, and specifically in relation to China which is their main geopolitical rival. US doesn’t want to be stuck in a quagmire in Ukraine giving China free reign in the mean time. So there’s no choice for US but to pull out and discard Europe like a used condom.
Yup, this is it. They want to pull out so they can focus on starting a war with China before 2025 when they predicted China’s military will surpass them to a degree the US will never be able to catch up. I’m hoping though that it is already to that point and when things do kick off the US forces will get demolished.
they’re certainly going to cut off “support” eventually, I’m just having a hard time imagining how they’ll attempt to rhetorically justify it considering their rampant Russophobia up to this point
They will drop it and immediately ramp up the anti China propaganda because that’s the whole reason the want to pull out of Ukraine in the first place. They failed to do anything of major significance there so they are going to change course and push action with Taiwan in order to start a war. Libs won’t care about dropping Ukraine because it’s been long enough that they have lost interest.
Russophobia has not started in 2014, it was simply amplified a bit further. But it was very much a trend for decades. Yet that did not stop US companies from exploiting the local workforce. In fact, until last year I was working for a US company and veteran colleagues said their situation actually improved after 2014 - the exchange rate of dollar jumped and we suddenly became very attractive as a cheap IT workforce
Yeah, you can only get people to buy into the narrative as long as they’re not connecting it with their material conditions. People are starting to connect the war and the economic decline now.
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They gotta have a reason to pull out so they can focus on starting a war with China. They know the clock is ticking to stay in power. They threw away too much resources on this. They have to try and find some way to hold onto their power.
Yeah, and RAND recently published a study basically saying the same thing. In my opinion, it’s already past the point where US can take on China militarily, but it’s not past the point where US understands that yet.
We can only hope.
Wouldn’t they want this happening when something starts with china? I feel like it would overall be a benefit for the west, specifically after Russia’s doubling down and mobilization. If Russia is at full military capacity when things pop off with china they would totally get involved.
The West cannot afford to keep pumping supplies into Ukraine AND turn all focus onto China. A proxy war with Russia is one thing. Russia can hold its own but China’s military is booming and accelerating. With tech that, in many cases, is starting to, or already does, surpass the wests.
Since there is no way for Ukraine to hold on without western supplies then they will loose regardless when the west pulls out. However the “harder” they loose the less there is for the western oligarchy to plunder. So they are trying to shut things down as quickly and painlessly (for them) as possible.
In other words telling them to put more men into the meat-grinder, there are too many left alive who could be used as fodder to weaken Russia and deplete their weapons.
Given Zelenskyy’s power and position relies on pleasing western masters I do think they’re going to get fanatical here soon, real fall of the third reich type fascist desperation and frenzy. Lots of guys who don’t want to be there pushed into the grinder with force while the fascists hang back and hope to cut and run once it gets too bad as I’m sure many of them have future positions waiting in the Nazi Arming Training Organization or Canada or the US.
We’re already there
How much fragging do you think happens on the Ukrainian side that’s not being reported? Any sign of this in Russian media?
Not that I’ve seen, but I’ve not been paying the most close attention tbh. A lot of the media in question is giving me the creeps
No worries. I bet!
Some countries in the West, maybe. I highly doubt Amerika would accept it
US is absolutely going to cut and run. In fact, this could be the start of a pretext for doing that. They know that Ukraine can’t achieve any significant victories, and this gives them an excuse other than having to admit that NATO ran out of production capacity.
These three papers in particular strongly indicate that US is going to pull out soon:
US hawks are starting to become worried that this war weakens US globally, and specifically in relation to China which is their main geopolitical rival. US doesn’t want to be stuck in a quagmire in Ukraine giving China free reign in the mean time. So there’s no choice for US but to pull out and discard Europe like a used condom.
Yup, this is it. They want to pull out so they can focus on starting a war with China before 2025 when they predicted China’s military will surpass them to a degree the US will never be able to catch up. I’m hoping though that it is already to that point and when things do kick off the US forces will get demolished.
they’re certainly going to cut off “support” eventually, I’m just having a hard time imagining how they’ll attempt to rhetorically justify it considering their rampant Russophobia up to this point
They will drop it and immediately ramp up the anti China propaganda because that’s the whole reason the want to pull out of Ukraine in the first place. They failed to do anything of major significance there so they are going to change course and push action with Taiwan in order to start a war. Libs won’t care about dropping Ukraine because it’s been long enough that they have lost interest.
And twist the narrative to suggest that all this time it was Ukraine, not it’s US handlers, that was being obstinate about peace negotiations.
Russophobia has not started in 2014, it was simply amplified a bit further. But it was very much a trend for decades. Yet that did not stop US companies from exploiting the local workforce. In fact, until last year I was working for a US company and veteran colleagues said their situation actually improved after 2014 - the exchange rate of dollar jumped and we suddenly became very attractive as a cheap IT workforce
of course, but from what I can see it seems to have been amplified massively in 2022
Yeah, that is the question. They kind of painted themselves into a corner here, and not clear how they spin this as a win now.
the US is a master at controlled opposition, but people are seeing the results of this war effort and it’s more unfavorable than ever
Yeah, you can only get people to buy into the narrative as long as they’re not connecting it with their material conditions. People are starting to connect the war and the economic decline now.
Autumn???
After another 100,000 Ukrainians die?
There is a real possibility of the Ukrainian army collapsing before then.
As if Kiev hasn’t been trying several times themselves only to be yanked away by Americans.
The most important part though is that this is Kiev’s decision and US will not force Ukraine into anything. 😂
No, obviously, they would never do such a thing! 🙄
No British (American actually) prime minister visited Kiev in March of last year when a peace deal was almost done, no sirree, that never happened.