There is no way for the surveillance to be bypassed, the company says. The roll-out is planned in Germany.

So a simple solution will be not use Vodafone services. Also, start to use I2P , phone number not registed on your name, buy a phone in cash and Degoogle it if you want android. Of course this don’t make no one untraceable just make you less identifiable.

Sorry but I already pay for the internet, so I’ll skip that bullshit.

Also, if publishers can’t make it online, then that’s their problem, not everyone else’s. Adapt or die, but this isn’t going to win any subscribers.

We’re going to have to share user location data with shops and supermarkets, since they’re really struggling in this economy 😄



They were not doing this already?


“Consumers appreciate the idea of a ‘free’ Internet, but this comes with a trade-off: publishers need a sustainable revenue model, meaning that it becomes essential to add subscription paywalls or rely on advertising to maintain free access to high-quality content,” the official TrustPid website says.

Counterpoint: ads enable shitty content and disinformation to fester. How this whole “websites need ad revenue to survive” bullshit has become normalized by websites/companies that sell your information just for their own profit. Its no wonder why browsing these sites without an ad blocker makes them nearly unusable.

Not to mention that with ads, nothing is actually ‘free’, its just that you’re the product and they’re selling you.

This can’t be GDPR compliant.

Also I doubt they can do this with https traffic.

Arthur Besse

on the website it sounds like it’s opt-in (via participating sites’ GDPR cookie popups), and it’s a new thing from a major european carrier, so i assume it was designed with GDPR compliance in mind.

(tag yourself; i’m the consenting laptop user sitting on the radio waves)

Yeah I’m still changing carriers


First, the content of HTTPS traffic might be encrypted, but some metadata (the domain name or IP address of the destination, for example) is not. You can use just that to do some tracking.

Then, if for example the ISP sees an user visits a particular website with poor privacy practices (let’s say, any social media run by big tech), they could do business with them and buy and sell data.

Lastly, but this is tinfoil-hat territory, what is to say they can’t leverage the biggest flaw in the global HTTPS infrastructure: they could manage to corrupt a certificate authority into giving them their root certificate keys (or at least into decrypting traffic they start logging and then pass over). This way, the ISP could read the traffic of any user of any service which uses certificates emitted by the corrupted CA. Very difficult that something like this happens because big CAs aren’t just ran by 1 omnipotent person, but technically 100% possible.

Side node: Tor solves the trust problem of the global certificate infrastructure: Hidden Services don’t work with trust on a CA, they work with just a public and private key system, where the only weak point is the server of the hidden service, storing the private key it uses to encrypt traffic and serve it to clients.
Edit: the server’s private key decrypts data the client encrypted with the server’s public key, and viceversa, idk why I always mess the 2 things up in my mind :P, but the point remains

Time to start using Tor for everything I suppose… (Or just hope this tracking doesn’t come to Italy too)

Tor doesn’t seem to help here if I got it right, because the data traffic is assigned to your phone number.

They can’t do much if you use any proxy, be it Tor, a public single-node proxy, or a commercial VPN (which I think is inadequate for an use like this, after all VPN providers are ISPs in a way, so you are just hiding traffic from your own ISP and giving it to another one).

They could just see the traffic encrypted between proxy client and server, and maybe do some correlation with time of usage and stuff like that.

If you have bad opsec, it’s possible to completely deanonymize you on Tor and track what you do, but it’s not easy and so it’s something that only law enforcement does. Entities with simple commercial interests don’t go above certain limits of complexity. Most websites for example use browser fingerprinting techniques, and as far as I know some stuff uses advanced user fingerprinting tactics (logging the unique way you move the mouse or type on the keyboad, like Google ReCaptcha 2 does), an ISP could do even less.

Vodafone says TrustPid will assign each user “random numbers” reducing the risk of individuals being directly identified. Someone saying something like this should never be allowed near a computer, let alone driving a surveillance scheme… what a joke.


Dies from cringe

Vodafone can suck my dick. By the way, how in hell is this allowed?

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