How dangerous is it to be a communist in the US? Should I be very hush hush about it? I won’t ever be open about it but I’m just wondering how secretive I should be. Most of my close friends and certain family members know that I am a “Socialist”. I am pretty young and still need to start my life and I don’t want to ruin my chances of anything.
Some precautions I’ve taken are installing a vpn and only going doing commie stuff with vpn on. I’ve separated personal and political social media accounts and never post political stuff on my personal ones. Should I be doing any other things?
Thank you in advance
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Imo, and this is very different for different people in a variety of places, but I’m an American (midwest area) and I understand people not being comfortable being out and open about it, but I wear communist clothing sometimes and I just make an extra effort to be a kind and helpful person while wearing it, even if its small stuff, because I figure that the Hammer and Sickle may spook a few people and that symbol of unity should never scare anyone(that isn’t bourgeoisie scum). Not everyone in my family knows the extent to which I am a communist, but I certainly don’t hide it. If they go into my room to turn off the light or something or close a window, they see a collection of Marx, Lenin Stalin and Mao. When family and friends ask political questions, I let them hear my honest opinion(besides like 2-3 issues that make me sound without context like a madman)
thank you for your reply I’ll have to consider being more open about it.
Think if they know they spy on you and try to mess up your jobs?
I remember how, back starting in the 50s, they tried to get people fired. Never join anything where you have to give your name. I never give my email.
I have read how early Christians, back before Christianity was corrupted, had to hide their beliefs to be safe and only talk with other Christians about it to be safe.
I should probably start asking myself this question more often since I’m dark skinned and neurodiverse.
You say “doing commie stuff with vpn on” but I am sort of wondering: what does it mean to “do commie stuff” online? What does it mean to be a communist if you’re not actually out there actively participating in trying to make communism a reality?
Even Lenin and Stalin had to do running and hiding.
Most communists and socialists have converted themselves. The idiot capitalists think college professors convert young kids. But I was a science major and science minor and no-one in college ever mentioned politics. But I happened to read Tyndale’s translation of the New Testament, fell for Jesus, and into Christian Socialism. From there it was just a step to communism. This is driving the evil capitalists mad!
Solidarity with my Christian comrades 💗
Yeah obviously I’m not doing praxis online, I do talk to people and organize stuff in my community online though so I’d like to protect myself.
I’d say it’s only dangerous if you try to make a meaningful change. So leadership position in an influential liberation group or investigative journalism. See: BLM leaders disappeared during Ferguson Riots and Webbs, Hastings, Assange, etc.
Participating in protests, being a member of a communist party, posting dank memes should be perfectly fine because realistically none of those will do anything
I’d also say since recently being a communist while visibly looking East Asian or Russian is also a massive invite to be hate crimed by dipshits
If you wanna beef up your online security I’d recommend using https://tails.boum.org/ . VPN will fail if they decide to sell you out/get hacked
Okay that is interesting I guess I’m safe for now lol. Does tails not need a vpn or anything or is tor enough.
Tor will anonymize you just like a VPN does but better because VPN providers are centralized corporations who can give information away to governments under legal duress. Tor nodes are decentralized (any one can create a Tor node that Tor users can use to anonymize themselves) so it’s safer in that aspect.
awesome ill definitely check tor out.
The CIA is on tor. https://www.wired.com/story/cia-sets-up-shop-on-tor/
It just says they have a .onion website.
Is Tor a little different than other browsers? I recently tried using it and some websites don’t work as well on it(still works but not as good)
Tor and Tor Browser are two different but related things.
Tor is a router. Once you set up tor, you can set up any application to use the tor connection to connect to websites rather accessing them directly. What this does is that the website that you are connecting to oblivious to your real IP address.
Tor browser is a package of the tor router and a preconfigured browser. It serves two purposes. Setting up tor and the configuring the browser to use it can be difficult for the average user. This package simplifies this process A LOT. The second point is that websites can identify you without knowing your IP address. There is a thing called browser fingerprinting. Using the relatively unique combination of your browser settings, screen size, hardware, etc., websites can deduce your identity. Tor browser comes preconfigured to make this type of fingerprinting difficult.
uhhh I’m not a user myself and haven’t learned too much about how it works but I think the general wisdom is Tails by itself is very good and to only add on a VPN if you know how to configure it properly so it actually helps and not hinders your privacy
“if you know how to configure it properly” is key because you actually should not use a VPN if you use tor unless you know exactly what you are doing.
You are creating a common entry/exit point that your government/ISP can monitor, which might make tor less secure at best, and basically obsolete at worst, depending on how you set it up.
Isn’t that only for
You -> Tor -> VPN?
You -> VPN -> Toris at least as secure as
You -> Torunless the VPN actually tracks you more than your ISP, unless I’m misunderstanding something
Thats not secure AT ALL. By using a VPN before TOR, it means that VPN can read EVERYTHING you do through TOR. If you just use TOR, they cant. Why? Both TOR and VPN send the data encrypted. However, since they are 2 different networks, the encryption is different. Thus, this happens:
Your computer encrypts data using the VPN protocol, sends it to VPN
VPN decrypts the data
VPN encrypts the data using TOR protocol, sends it through the TOR network
TOR exit node decrypts the data and sends it to the server you are connecting to
Do you see the problem here? The VPN can read everything you do, this is not a safe setup. Just use TOR, its safe enough. All your ISP knows when you are using TOR is that you are using TOR, it doesnt know what you are doing on TOR. If that is still a problem for whatever reason, then use TOR bridges, a built in feature of Tails that uses secret TOR entry nodes, thus hiding from your ISP that you are connecting to TOR. This is explained here in detail:
https://tails.boum.org/doc/anonymous_internet/tor/index.en.html#:~:text=Everything you do on the,you are connected to Tor.
I highly recommend you use Tails. Its extremely safe, if im not wrong Edward Snowden used it when he published the NSA leaks, so its definetely safe.
No, what I meant by
You -> VPN -> Toris as described in the linked article:
Of course, not encrypting the Tor packets locally largely defeats the point of using Tor
VPNs would still be able to read the TOR packets.
I think you dont understand how Tor and VPNs work. All a regular VPN does is create an encrypted network between your computer and the VPN. You send data through that network, VPN decrypts it and send it to a website you are browsing. Regular VPNs arent meant to be used with Tor. Tor does the same thing but with multiple random decentralized servers, which makes it much safer. The Tor encrypted network is between your computer and the Tor exit node. When you are using VPN + TOR, you are using 2 encrypted networks together, one between your computer and the VPN, and another one between the VPN and the Tor exit node. The Tor encryption happens in the VPN, not in your computer, since the VPN is pretending to be your computer and thats how the Tor Network sees it as. What you are saying is setting up a united network between your computer, the VPN and the Tor network, but that is much more complicated and different thing. A regular VPN doesnt work like that and no commercial VPN offers such as a service.
But thats impossible, thats not how Tor and VPNs work. The VPN has to encrypt what you send them, otherwise your ISP can read everything and its pointless. However, the TOR network and the website you are visting cannot decrypt the VPN encription, only the VPN can. Thus, the VPN has to decrypt what you are sending and can read it. Sure, you could have the VPN encrypt the TOR package on top of it, not before it, but no VPN offers that service. Youd have to set up your own server and VPN and besides being a pain in the ass its pointless, since the server has an internet connection and by being your server your ISP would know you are using TOR through the VPN.
That is true, yes, but also it highly depends on your VPN provider and what you’re avoiding. Since I Imagine most communists want to avoid “the government” and not some specific group:
"Against a global adversary with unlimited resources more hops make passive attacks (slightly) harder but active attacks easier as you are providing more attack surface and send out more data that can be used. " and “If the VPN/SSH server is adversary controlled you weaken the protection provided by Tor.” (i.e. the US may very well give large sums of money and threats to access VPN logs, because at the end of the day, these services operate for money).
I get the increased attack surface, but wouldn’t they be able to get the ISP’s logs if a VPN wasn’t used (i.e. there would be no difference)?
Just wanted to say you are absolutely correct and most people replying to you are giving you bullshit. And they are ignorant or deliberately misleading people.
All ISPs in the US are part of surveillance programs and networks. This is a fact. The CIA/NSA and the FBI as well as local cops can easily access and understand what you are doing on your ISP connection and knowing your ISP provided IP address immediately leads back to you, your credit card and your home address.
Your home ISP keeps records on you going back years, probably at least 5, but potentially forever tied to your account, name, social, etc.
If you use Tor naked on your ISP connection your ISP knows you are a tor user and the NSA knows you are a tor user and your threat profile on the vast naughty lists is elevated.
VPNs may very well be intelligence honey-pots or otherwise compromised. I would suggest foreign VPNs located outside of US/five eyes jurisdiction as an ideal. However, even assuming that VPN XYZ which is located in Switzerland or France is an NSA run honeypot you are doing nothing to worsen your situation. You’re just adding steps to their process of identifying you which is never not a good thing.
They already have full visibility into your traffic from your ISP and can legally subpoena and use that against you in open court (in fact in many cases your ISP will hand it over without a warrant). By using this theoretical NSA honeypot VPN if they trace it back only that far they cannot in open court reveal that unless they want to blow the lid off the fact they’re running that service and have to shut it down and go to the trouble of spinning up a new one (and do this every time they want to do this) or to engage in parallel construction which is difficult and expensive and not always viable. Unless you are an incredibly high value target they’ll know you use tor but be unable to do anything about it.
More HOPS is better so long as the final hop doesn’t know who you are.
What is not secure or sane is to use tor as a tunnel and have the final connection made by your VPN. Why? Because your VPN assumedly knows who you are via payment details and it would defeat the point of tor’s anonymity. You could potentially do this safely if you only ever connected to the VPN over tor (including during sign-up and including during sign-up and all use of your connected email address) AND if you paid using a truly anonymous payment method like giftcards bought with cash far from your home or certain cryptocurrencies subjected to anonymization techniques.
Hm, that makes sense to me. I am not versed well enough in privacy topics to see why that’s not the case, so I think you’re correct. And the more I search, the more people say that yes
You -> Tor -> VPNdoes not hinder the tor connection itself and protects the non-tor traffic coming out of your system + people probably trust their VPN way more than their ISP for good reason.