For example, this thread is still not cleaned, despite having outright nazi and murder apologia and indirect holocaust denial. Not to mention obvious trolling, blatant disrespect and bad faith “discussion”.
I always wonder if we seem as unhinged to them as they seem to me. I always love it when tankies type a wall of text only to be countered with some snarky gotcha comment. Zero understanding of how this shit works.
Can you temporarily disable your account here? I’m very worried about these lib wreckers trying to get us in trouble. Thinking about just laying low for a while, but don’t want to lose my whole account if I deactivate. I wish I could find one corner of the internet away from these freaks.
Im confused. I dont interact with ANY instances except deliberate anti lib instances that are communist in some fashion.
Is this a similar situation like GenZedong from reddit where the lemmygrad thing can get taken down?
Just a reminder to the libs. No amount of taking down communist social media is gonna lower your rent or raise your pay or stop the rise of China or stop Russia from pushing in the shit of your favorite fascist country.
But I mean… Do you, libs. Youre always gonna be losers where it matters most.
Lemmygrad is its own instance but I think the plan some are pushing for on lemmy (the beehaw and sopuli users) is for lemmy.ml to defederate from lemmygrad, thus isolating us in our own corner of the internet. Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad both tie in for 1st place in activity,
How big even is lemmy in comparison to lemmygrad? We just need to get Hexbearies to join the federation or whatever and let them loose over there. lol. It’ll be a bloodbath until they ban everyone.
I sincerely think if hexbear federates, it will be akin to removing the “great firewall” in China. Libs think they’ll be making friends but they are not ready for the carnage.
Comrade Awoo has really galvanised the people of lemmygrad for the hexbear cause and while I do not code, I encourage everyone who does to join with them so they can migrate back to lemmy ASAP and federate with us.
I have actual dreams of if the great firewall coming down as 10s of millions of Chinese shit posters flood reddit and overwhelm all the libs. Imagine the liberal seething. The copium. Their tears will rehydrate and revitalize the parched earth that is my soul.
Just tens of millions? There’s gonna be hundreds of millions!
It’s been discussed before and libs really seem to think they will expose the “brainwashed” Chinese people to wikipedia, CNN, reddit, and all the stuff their government “doesn’t tell them”. In reality libs will be completely submerged by a billion people that support their government and criticize liberal democracy.
We estimate there are 1.1 billion English speakers on the Internet. And that’s about as many people that use the Internet in China. They are not ready.
I was being cautious. What is it called the 1:9:90 rule or something? Where only like 1% of the subscribers are actively commenting and posting them 9% upvoting and occasionally interact then the rest are lurkers and or dead accounts? lol. Even at 10s of millions we would crush reddit. Hundreds of millions would be reaching Nirvana.
Comrade Awoo has really galvanised the people of lemmygrad for the hexbear cause and while I do not code
Stronger united.
If Lemmygrad holds the “explicitly communist” position and Hexbear holds the “soft-left and mixed” position then the only positions left in the ecosystem are liberal and fascist.
Hexbear will displace any other community attempting to make an alternative liberal-led fake soft-left pro-imperialist space and prevent them from faking being leftist. Getting it caught up and federated is the best method to pull heat off lemmygrad right now.
Hexbear users being everywhere on lemmy will also be extremely funny.
Interesting. Apparently one doesn’t get notified they were banned.
I’ll try to get in touch with the admin/admins. In the meantime if fascists think they can use my comments as platforms to promote their shitty instance I will keep telling them to fuck off.
What’s happening right now is a damn travesty, and CriticalResist being tempbanned is an awful signal.
I’ve seen some people (libs, with no doubt) say that content on lemmy is too political, but then people from Beehaw or Sopuli appear and say “join our instance bro, we’re totally not political bro”.
Can’t they just help by posting non-political content on lemmy.ml??? Why promote a new instance??? Most relevant communities already exist, even if there’s a lack of users??
(These are rhetorical questions, their real intent is obvious.)
I sense that there’s going to be some push to create a community w/ varied content (which will probably fail due to lack of users), w/ intent of saying “look at the commies, all they have is an echochamber with boring toxic posts! let’s get these extremists defederated from lemmy.ml too!”
This instance has momentum, we could probably respond in kind.
This is just my opinion, and, as usual I’m clueless and probably wrong.
P.S. Pls remove this post if it may seem like I’m saying something sus.
P.P.S. Beehaw has issued a post explaining what they’re trying to accomplish, and it’s insanely verbose (my posts pale in comparison). I find some parts of their post sensible (regarding the matter of debates, or homophobia etc), and like them in principle, but IMO as a whole it’s insanely naive, and I sense it’s just an anglo effort that is too preoccupied with a vague and convenient idea of “niceness”. Recent behavior of their users is what I find strange. Plus, a nazi sympathizer is an active member of that instance, and they’re probably considered “nice”, since they’re not banned.
I have no problem with beehaw and sopuli existing, or any instance existing. It’s impossible to control who makes instances because Lemmy is open source and has pretty simple installation instructions.
My problem is that their recruitment tactic is to bring down Lemmygrad (including lying about it) and try to create their fame out of that. As an admin, long time and active user of lemmygrad, I’ll defend this instance if they keep trying to defame it. If they stopped and just tried to build their instances without trying to stir trouble with us, then I think all of us would also stop going after them on lemmy. They can also talk shit all they want on their own instances if they want.
The admins on lemmy must be having a field day but if there is a solution to this issue (which will eventually pass, like everything), it’s to tell the sopuli and beehaw people to stop attacking other instances. Maybe make it a rule on lemmy. I mean, we’re the only instance that’s ever being attacked but just for fairness don’t point us out specifically, just ban all inter-instance trouble-brewing.
Just came across this comment. Can you point out where Beehaw attacked Lemmygrad, or tried to bring it down? Of course if they violate our site rules, I will do something about it, but I dont remember seeing any reports like that.
Ideally you should have reported it when you first saw it. The instance is so active now that its impossible for us admins to read all the comments, and we have to rely on reports.
I did report it, but it was resolved on our end by one of our admins:
I can’t remember how long the report stayed up, but it was between several hours and a day.
^ Another report which I don’t necessarily entirely agree with, but it was made. Again though resolved by one of our admin after some time.
And just yesterday sopuli joining in: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/379764/comment/284180. Which I reported just now since it’s proper procedure. But when I see our reports stay up for a day or more and seemingly never getting worked on, it doesn’t give me faith that lemmy.ml takes our reports seriously. How many reports does the instance get in a day if I may ask?
If I properly documented how they are working to recruit by defaming Lemmygrad, I would need way more time and create a cohesive document.
There is no documentation about reports so I’m still confused how they work. I understand all relevant instances are tagged for the report. But when we resolve a report about a lemmy.ml post, for example, does it still show up on lemmy.ml’s report queue? Then I could tell the rest of the admin team about it so we don’t resolve reports made by our users to other instances.
Reports work in a very basic way for now. Basically they are sent to all mods of the community, and to instance admins. If any one of them decides to resolve the report, others will generally not see it anymore. Also, the action of resolving a report isnt federated at all. So basically, a report needs to resolved once on each instance. Here is an issue about improving reports, feel free to add suggestions.
I would say that the comments you mention are simply subjective views of these two individuals. You might not agree with those views, but calling it lying seems exaggerated. I also dont understand how you can hold the entire instances responsible for actions of individual users. In any case, I will discuss this with our admin team.
So basically, a report needs to resolved once on each instance. Here is an issue about improving reports, feel free to add suggestions.
Thanks for the answer, sometimes reports sit on our queue for hours because I’m not sure we can solve them without impacting the lemmy reports queue (which they are meant for). I’ll be able to solve them now when relevant.
I might do an exposé on beehaw and sopuli eventually. It was more flagrant when these problems surfaced a month ago. Graphito if you remember was banned from Lemmy when they had an account from there, and went to beehaw afterwards (and again banned on lemmy temporarily). Beehaw and perthchat, an inactive instance, share a lot of overlap now and moderators too.
I also had another comment to point out in my previous comment but the direct link doesn’t seem to work. It might have been this one:
(Parent comment was deleted so 23 days later I really cannot remember what it was a response to). I think I have more stuff from this user (sopuli btw) doing the same thing altair and graphito are doing.
Beehaw indicated not federating with us because we “took up too much disk space because Lemmygrad is so active” (https://beehaw.org/post/93236/comment/25352), when lemmy.ml is just as active (and in the end it wasn’t even us, it was a bug). Of course they can not federate with us if they don’t want to, that’s their problem, but it was a bit weird seeing us blamed out of the blue for something that was not our fault. And dots start to form that I’m starting to connect.
Catraism was instantly banned from beehaw after making an account there, and was not using their Catraism-Stalinism name so as to avoid direct references to communism.
I have, to be honest, rarely seen beehaw and sopuli advertise their instance without using someone else’s platform to do it (on lemmy.ml). For example when conquestofbed made their thread 2 days ago, the first comment there was promoting beehaw and not adding anything else to the discussion. If you sort by old:
You’re right that they are, for now, just a few users. But they are users that are very integrated on beehaw and sopuli (moderators of a few communities, lots of overlap) – which are instances so small that they almost form a clique. I.e. they are the only users of those instances.
sopuli and beehaw people to stop attacking other instances
Warfare between instances is analogous to the methods of brigading and drama-creation that are weaponised on reddit.
By that I mean /r/subredditdrama solely exists to function as an attack tool against political targets of the liberal modteam and to bring together sitewide drama against their intended targets, creating pressure upon the admins to act. In this situation a similar tactic is being employed.
So we can’t tell people to fuck off when we’re unjustly accused of being fascists and constantly strawmanned, but libs get to ban us entirely just for calling them libs. Wtf else do you want us to call you? “The correct ones”? Are we allowed to have opinions that differ from yours so long as we kiss your ass or is us having a different opinion a slight in and of itself? Like jesus you people have all of mainstream society. Let us have this ONE thing.
Does “Monsters who do not care about the suffering caused by capitalism” work? I know it is a bit long and unwieldy, but I feel that it gets the same basic point across
This is a Dengist community in favor of Bashar al-Assad with no information that can lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton, our fellow liberal and queen. This community is not ironic. We are Marxists-Leninists.
If you haven’t already found it, this GitHub page is an excellent collection of sources about socialism, imperialism, and other relevant topics, made by @dessalines and others.
The only time you shouldn’t tell a Lib to fuck off Is when they’re screwing themselves over, at that point you encourage them.
Lemmygrad is still pretty small, but no one is stopping anyone from making a commie instance.
That happened on Lemmy.ml not Lemmygrad
Showing their true colours when they side with the libs of all people
For example, this thread is still not cleaned, despite having outright nazi and murder apologia and indirect holocaust denial. Not to mention obvious trolling, blatant disrespect and bad faith “discussion”.
What a nice thread to start your day with.
I always wonder if we seem as unhinged to them as they seem to me. I always love it when tankies type a wall of text only to be countered with some snarky gotcha comment. Zero understanding of how this shit works.
Can you temporarily disable your account here? I’m very worried about these lib wreckers trying to get us in trouble. Thinking about just laying low for a while, but don’t want to lose my whole account if I deactivate. I wish I could find one corner of the internet away from these freaks.
The libs are on lemmy.ml, not lemmygrad. Your account is on lemmygrad, separate from them, you should be fine.
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what the heck is happening in lemmy rn
war
All that is sacred is profaned
Im confused. I dont interact with ANY instances except deliberate anti lib instances that are communist in some fashion.
Is this a similar situation like GenZedong from reddit where the lemmygrad thing can get taken down?
Just a reminder to the libs. No amount of taking down communist social media is gonna lower your rent or raise your pay or stop the rise of China or stop Russia from pushing in the shit of your favorite fascist country.
But I mean… Do you, libs. Youre always gonna be losers where it matters most.
Lemmygrad is its own instance but I think the plan some are pushing for on lemmy (the beehaw and sopuli users) is for lemmy.ml to defederate from lemmygrad, thus isolating us in our own corner of the internet. Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad both tie in for 1st place in activity,
Y’all are therapy for me. I dont care if they defederate so long as I can interact here.
I can respect how many here might want cross pollenation in order to grow. But… 🤷♂️
No, we’re a separate instance. But lemmy.ml is sort of like a sister instance, so it’s sad to see it in this state.
How big even is lemmy in comparison to lemmygrad? We just need to get Hexbearies to join the federation or whatever and let them loose over there. lol. It’ll be a bloodbath until they ban everyone.
I sincerely think if hexbear federates, it will be akin to removing the “great firewall” in China. Libs think they’ll be making friends but they are not ready for the carnage.
Comrade Awoo has really galvanised the people of lemmygrad for the hexbear cause and while I do not code, I encourage everyone who does to join with them so they can migrate back to lemmy ASAP and federate with us.
That’s why they won’t federate with us, just with lib instances. Like szmer.info did
I have actual dreams of if the great firewall coming down as 10s of millions of Chinese shit posters flood reddit and overwhelm all the libs. Imagine the liberal seething. The copium. Their tears will rehydrate and revitalize the parched earth that is my soul.
It would be fucking glorious 🙌
Just tens of millions? There’s gonna be hundreds of millions!
It’s been discussed before and libs really seem to think they will expose the “brainwashed” Chinese people to wikipedia, CNN, reddit, and all the stuff their government “doesn’t tell them”. In reality libs will be completely submerged by a billion people that support their government and criticize liberal democracy.
We estimate there are 1.1 billion English speakers on the Internet. And that’s about as many people that use the Internet in China. They are not ready.
I was being cautious. What is it called the 1:9:90 rule or something? Where only like 1% of the subscribers are actively commenting and posting them 9% upvoting and occasionally interact then the rest are lurkers and or dead accounts? lol. Even at 10s of millions we would crush reddit. Hundreds of millions would be reaching Nirvana.
Stronger united.
If Lemmygrad holds the “explicitly communist” position and Hexbear holds the “soft-left and mixed” position then the only positions left in the ecosystem are liberal and fascist.
Hexbear will displace any other community attempting to make an alternative liberal-led fake soft-left pro-imperialist space and prevent them from faking being leftist. Getting it caught up and federated is the best method to pull heat off lemmygrad right now.
Hexbear users being everywhere on lemmy will also be extremely funny.
Roughly the same.
When we get big enough we should enact the laws of Omicron and eat all the other instances.
https://youtu.be/-06ki92PyVY
Ratto has enshrined themselves in the halls of greatness.
Also Critical Resist lol. They hated libs too much. Lemmy will miss their presence.
Shout to Comrade awoo for fighting the good fight in the thread and avoiding the bad language.
Interesting. Apparently one doesn’t get notified they were banned.
I’ll try to get in touch with the admin/admins. In the meantime if fascists think they can use my comments as platforms to promote their shitty instance I will keep telling them to fuck off.
Sus pics from Sopuli inside of spoiler
What’s happening right now is a damn travesty, and CriticalResist being tempbanned is an awful signal.
I’ve seen some people (libs, with no doubt) say that content on lemmy is too political, but then people from Beehaw or Sopuli appear and say “join our instance bro, we’re totally not political bro”.
Can’t they just help by posting non-political content on lemmy.ml??? Why promote a new instance??? Most relevant communities already exist, even if there’s a lack of users?? (These are rhetorical questions, their real intent is obvious.)
I sense that there’s going to be some push to create a community w/ varied content (which will probably fail due to lack of users), w/ intent of saying “look at the commies, all they have is an echochamber with
boringtoxic posts! let’s get these extremists defederated from lemmy.ml too!”This instance has momentum, we could probably respond in kind.
This is just my opinion, and, as usual I’m clueless and probably wrong.
P.S. Pls remove this post if it may seem like I’m saying something sus.
P.P.S. Beehaw has issued a post explaining what they’re trying to accomplish, and it’s insanely verbose (my posts pale in comparison). I find some parts of their post sensible (regarding the matter of debates, or homophobia etc), and like them in principle, but IMO as a whole it’s insanely naive, and I sense it’s just an anglo effort that is too preoccupied with a vague and convenient idea of “niceness”. Recent behavior of their users is what I find strange. Plus, a nazi sympathizer is an active member of that instance, and they’re probably considered “nice”, since they’re not banned.
I have no problem with beehaw and sopuli existing, or any instance existing. It’s impossible to control who makes instances because Lemmy is open source and has pretty simple installation instructions.
My problem is that their recruitment tactic is to bring down Lemmygrad (including lying about it) and try to create their fame out of that. As an admin, long time and active user of lemmygrad, I’ll defend this instance if they keep trying to defame it. If they stopped and just tried to build their instances without trying to stir trouble with us, then I think all of us would also stop going after them on lemmy. They can also talk shit all they want on their own instances if they want.
The admins on lemmy must be having a field day but if there is a solution to this issue (which will eventually pass, like everything), it’s to tell the sopuli and beehaw people to stop attacking other instances. Maybe make it a rule on lemmy. I mean, we’re the only instance that’s ever being attacked but just for fairness don’t point us out specifically, just ban all inter-instance trouble-brewing.
Just came across this comment. Can you point out where Beehaw attacked Lemmygrad, or tried to bring it down? Of course if they violate our site rules, I will do something about it, but I dont remember seeing any reports like that.
That’s asking me to go into months-old archives to try and document it 😅 I’ll look it up and see if I can find their comments again.
Ideally you should have reported it when you first saw it. The instance is so active now that its impossible for us admins to read all the comments, and we have to rely on reports.
I did report it, but it was resolved on our end by one of our admins:
I can’t remember how long the report stayed up, but it was between several hours and a day.
^ Another report which I don’t necessarily entirely agree with, but it was made. Again though resolved by one of our admin after some time.
And just yesterday sopuli joining in: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/379764/comment/284180. Which I reported just now since it’s proper procedure. But when I see our reports stay up for a day or more and seemingly never getting worked on, it doesn’t give me faith that lemmy.ml takes our reports seriously. How many reports does the instance get in a day if I may ask?
If I properly documented how they are working to recruit by defaming Lemmygrad, I would need way more time and create a cohesive document.
There is no documentation about reports so I’m still confused how they work. I understand all relevant instances are tagged for the report. But when we resolve a report about a lemmy.ml post, for example, does it still show up on lemmy.ml’s report queue? Then I could tell the rest of the admin team about it so we don’t resolve reports made by our users to other instances.
Reports work in a very basic way for now. Basically they are sent to all mods of the community, and to instance admins. If any one of them decides to resolve the report, others will generally not see it anymore. Also, the action of resolving a report isnt federated at all. So basically, a report needs to resolved once on each instance. Here is an issue about improving reports, feel free to add suggestions.
I would say that the comments you mention are simply subjective views of these two individuals. You might not agree with those views, but calling it lying seems exaggerated. I also dont understand how you can hold the entire instances responsible for actions of individual users. In any case, I will discuss this with our admin team.
Thanks for the answer, sometimes reports sit on our queue for hours because I’m not sure we can solve them without impacting the lemmy reports queue (which they are meant for). I’ll be able to solve them now when relevant.
I might do an exposé on beehaw and sopuli eventually. It was more flagrant when these problems surfaced a month ago. Graphito if you remember was banned from Lemmy when they had an account from there, and went to beehaw afterwards (and again banned on lemmy temporarily). Beehaw and perthchat, an inactive instance, share a lot of overlap now and moderators too.
I also had another comment to point out in my previous comment but the direct link doesn’t seem to work. It might have been this one:
(Parent comment was deleted so 23 days later I really cannot remember what it was a response to). I think I have more stuff from this user (sopuli btw) doing the same thing altair and graphito are doing.
Beehaw indicated not federating with us because we “took up too much disk space because Lemmygrad is so active” (https://beehaw.org/post/93236/comment/25352), when lemmy.ml is just as active (and in the end it wasn’t even us, it was a bug). Of course they can not federate with us if they don’t want to, that’s their problem, but it was a bit weird seeing us blamed out of the blue for something that was not our fault. And dots start to form that I’m starting to connect.
Catraism was instantly banned from beehaw after making an account there, and was not using their Catraism-Stalinism name so as to avoid direct references to communism.
I have, to be honest, rarely seen beehaw and sopuli advertise their instance without using someone else’s platform to do it (on lemmy.ml). For example when conquestofbed made their thread 2 days ago, the first comment there was promoting beehaw and not adding anything else to the discussion. If you sort by old:
(https://lemmygrad.ml/post/379764/comment/283848)
You’re right that they are, for now, just a few users. But they are users that are very integrated on beehaw and sopuli (moderators of a few communities, lots of overlap) – which are instances so small that they almost form a clique. I.e. they are the only users of those instances.
Warfare between instances is analogous to the methods of brigading and drama-creation that are weaponised on reddit.
By that I mean /r/subredditdrama solely exists to function as an attack tool against political targets of the liberal modteam and to bring together sitewide drama against their intended targets, creating pressure upon the admins to act. In this situation a similar tactic is being employed.
So we can’t tell people to fuck off when we’re unjustly accused of being fascists and constantly strawmanned, but libs get to ban us entirely just for calling them libs. Wtf else do you want us to call you? “The correct ones”? Are we allowed to have opinions that differ from yours so long as we kiss your ass or is us having a different opinion a slight in and of itself? Like jesus you people have all of mainstream society. Let us have this ONE thing.
Does “Monsters who do not care about the suffering caused by capitalism” work? I know it is a bit long and unwieldy, but I feel that it gets the same basic point across
We treat libs how they deserve to be treated based on their own behavior.
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CriticalResist8 is an admin here. If they were banned on this instance somehow the circumstances would have to be extraordinary lmao.
I would be back under CriticalResist9, nobody would ever notice 🕵️♂️
What happened to criticalresist 1 through 7?
Unconclusive
The 7 gave their accounts for the 8th to prosper.
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No, they’ve only been tempbanned on lemmy.ml for 5 days
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Yep 😬
“Consistent hostile attitude against libs” is simply a prerequisite for being based.
Its basic human decency
The default mode of any truly caring individual.
I saw the thread where y’all got banned. The original poster there seems to be a wrecker account.
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Big yikes. Feel like the libs flooding in are exercising their sway and getting their way.