Okay, to be clear, I’m not actually saying you should do drugs. I just found this picture funny and kind of insightful. I intended the title not to be a command, but as an 'if this then that" observation.
lmao if you need drugs to understand basic empathy, says a lot about you.
what’s the deal with leftoids and wanting to consume CIA created chemicals for the sole purpose of breaking up communist organisations??? imperalists literally use these same chemicals do fuck over developing countries. we as commmies critique the british empire for 100 years of humiliation in china with their use of opium to enslave the masses, but in the same breath willingly shoot ourselves in the foot by using these same disgusting chemicals. if i joined an organisation and there were drug users i would leave. instant red flag.
more pedant 🤓 takes from this thread. it has been weaponised against actual existing communism. and letting it in organisations will result in nothing good.
what’s the deal with leftoids and wanting to consume CIA created chemicals for the sole purpose of breaking up communist organisations???
whats your source on this?
imperalists literally use these same chemicals do fuck over developing countries. we as commmies critique the british empire for 100 years of humiliation in china with their use of opium to enslave the masses, but in the same breath willingly shoot ourselves in the foot by using these same disgusting chemicals.
this is a very shallow analysis of the opium wars, im going to spell it out for you but they wherent just enabled by us flooding the country with opium, we also did a lot of shooting people in between that; the opium was a small part of it.
Opium has 100s of medical uses and is invaluable to any hospital, drugs do not have morality attatched to them, they are chemicals. Analysis of how ‘evil’ they are is frankly, a christian perspective and a faulty one.
if i joined an organisation and there were drug users i would leave. instant red flag.
Can you really call yourself a communist while spouting such reactionary views?
Id disagree.
Try and understand why you feel that way, read some claudia jones; understand how the drug war has created this perception of morality in your head and clouded your critique into simping for a lever used by the upper classes to oppress the under.
lmao you can go to your orgs where everyone’s an addict/ stoner/ user and i’ll go to the ones where the people are inspiring, healthy, level headed champions of their communties.
and don’t be a pedant. you know i don’t mean drugs for medical reasons. i’m talking about recreational use that leads to addiction/depandance/degeneracy
go outside for once, go to a low socieo-economic part of town (that means leaving your mum & dad’s suburban mcmansion) meet an addict… and see if you’d want to be in an organisation with them. these lumpenproletarians are victims 100%. but they are not in the right conditions to be part of the vanguard at the moment.
Paternalistic and frankly uncomradely. Pretty disgusting stance to on the one hand claim that drugs are used to victimize people but on the other say that those victims aren’t comrades, you would not organize with them, and you see them as degenerates. Not to mention the completely oblivious way you discredit literally all drugs as created by the CIA (really? peyote? ayehuasca? cannabis? psilocybin?).
Do you organize with people who smoke? With people who drink? Are you ready to quit an organization because the members brought coffee to a meeting? Do you dig through people’s purses to make sure they don’t have any prescriptions?
This broad-brush painting of “drugs” as a single evil thing, and not just a classification of certain substances made illegal specifically to disenfranchise (predominantly Black and poor) voters that has no basis in science. What a disturbingly uncritical view.
I understand this a lot though, when i took psychadelics I felt such a feeling of compassion towards others. I guess because they make the brain more active, you become instant commie
Promoting their use is illegal where I live, so I’m obligated to disagree; and any leftist promoting their use would risk being thrown in jail and lose face over something most people have already been conditioned to detest.
I think outside Western countries, promoting their use may be of more harm than benefit.
Im not kidding, but I came to the same philosophical worldview as Karl Marx describes it in Das Kapital when I took LSD, I mean I kind of knew I was mentally left leaning before that, but after I read Marx’ and Engels’ works I felt 100% understood and was shooked I came to the same conclusions without reading anything of the sort beforehand
How you reassemble that can be random (ive seen fash go more fash after doing acid)
Just a perspective, its a great drug but I try not to take anything I think on it seriously unless I put it through some serious sober filters later lol.
Great for giving you a 3d view of yourself (both internally and externally though)
I got caught up in cocaine, speed and alcohol for a while and instead of a becoming leftist it set me up for a lifetime of crime. Hanging around the underbelly of society did, however, made me realize we are living in a broken system. But I only had that epiphany afterwards when I stopped doing drugs.
These are different drugs than MDMA and LSD though and I can understand someone gets a lot of loving feelings when doing these drugs. I just hope that in a future society we can stop sedating ourselves this much in our free time, or at least have a different perspective of which drugs we should use from time to time. I’m not against banning drugs but we are forced by our overlords to suffer unnecessarily because of them.
Recreational drugs would be safe in a classless society since it wouldn’t be weaponized by the ruling class to submit the other mentally. But right now, given the history of capitalist use of drugs to destroy resistance, it is imperative to not let comrades getting addicted.
However keep in mind that treatment of addiction must be compassionate and humane. Shock therapy is a capitalist myth in economics as well as in mental health. Addiction is a public health concern and addicts are victims of capitalism.
Interestingly enough the use of psychedelic mushrooms has been shown to combat addictions to other substances. I was fighting addiction to some prescription sleeping meds for many years until I started micro dosing magic mushrooms. Now I only tend to take them (the mushrooms) when my anxiety is really kicking up due to work and I start having restless nights. Even then it’s usually just one micro dose capsule a week. I’m off those meds completely.
It’s also what really showed me how fucked medicine is under capitalism. How we are nothing more than bag of money to get hooked for life on their product. They don’t want to cure your anxiety, your depression. They want you to rely on some drug for the rest of your life regardless of if it’s really helping you.
This right here. Big pharma got psychedelics criminalized because they’re extremely effective in 1 dose. They wanted drugs that you need to take every day for months or years, so they took what they learned from LSD and Psilocybin to create things like Prozac.
Yeah but note that people from imperialist countries are generally pro drug, and people from imperialized countries are against. Even regardless how even in the imperialist countries drugs are heavily adverse to the working class, this clearly points that in the capitalism we all should be anti drugs, since drugs are the enemy weapons in the class war.
EDIT: i’m incredibly disappointed how prodrugs you guys are here or rather, how loud the prodrugs minority here is. Oh well, nothing new in english-speaking internet communities, much less than on reddit actually. FYI i’m not for prohibition because that rarily work, especially now when western devil is out of the box - before if worked pretty well in socialist countries not being infiltrated by the western druglords, which is yet another proof how much the entire drug issue (or monolith as one nitpicker below tried to say) is an issue of class war and systemic opression. I’m for legalisation of mild substances, but also strict reglamentation and control. Dealers get wall, especially in socialism when they will have no soapy excuses i will undobtedly hear for the scum who “have no other option” than to prey on the working class now in capitalism.
I’m in good company then, with “social fascists” such as Marx, Lenin, Mao and every AES in past or present existence.
The difference is we have acsess to so much sociological theory as to why drugs are not as bad now that continuing there stance on it is reactionary.
If you really think the USSRs drug policy is something worth emulating, they literally just copied the UNs drug policy lol.
There where many critics of its policy within the USSR, they called it
In our opinion, the adoption of the Decree of 22.¢.1987 is indicative of the Soviet authorities’ resignation to their complete inability to solve drug problems in a constructive and humane way.
Lebedev in 1987
If you did read Lenin you would know he calls for working with the underclass, not executing them as you seem to think is acceptable.
The difference is we have acsess to so much sociological theory as to why drugs are not as bad now that continuing there stance on it is reactionary.
Bullshit. We do know more about it, true, but still did nothing with that knowledge. Imperialist and compradors are still enslaving people with the drugs and booze just as in XIX century. And they do know better how to do it too.
If you really think the USSRs drug policy is something worth emulating, they literally just copied the UNs drug policy lol.
Again, zero understanding. Even if politics was the same, conditions weren’t. Drug problem was very minor in USSR and generally in socialist countries in Europe, not because or despite of their drug politics but because it was not a problem before socialism too (unlike alcoholism), and the socialism did not allow imperialist to freely peddle that shit around. When socialism collapsed, narcotics became immediate and huge problem everywhere in a single year or two. Despite drug policy in this countries remaining mostly unchanged!
If you did read Lenin you would know he calls for working with the underclass, not executing them as you seem to think is acceptable.
That is painful ignorance. Lenin literally intitured prohibition in USSR (which did not worked so it was removed) - i don’t think how else he would react to let’s say opioid epidemic.
And ease with your “underclass” nonsense, you drug preachers always conflate organized crime and working class. Nobody want to criminalize planting cannabis for fucks sake, just the opposite (again, the conditions changed since 1989 which i noted before, but you just of course ignored it and started to preach about USSR laws), but dealers just as other deadly parasites get wall.
Bullshit. We do know more about it, true, but still did nothing with that knowledge. Imperialist and compradors are still enslaving people with the drugs and booze just as in XIX century. And they do know better how to do it too.
Point to ‘enslavement’ going on of other countries through drug policy. The only ‘enslavement’ going on is that of the American underclass, with the goverment using it as a justification to arrest millions of leftists and remove there right to vote.
In terms of foriegn policy, yes they use them as leverage to destablize countries; this is only an avilable option to them because it is illegal globally, and as such can be used as a wedge anywhere they need it to be used. If the global status quo was ‘legal’ do you really think it would be an effective tool for the CIA? Of course it wouldnt, it would be accountable to govs rather than gangs.
When socialism collapsed, narcotics became immediate and huge problem everywhere in a single year or two. Despite drug policy in this countries remaining mostly unchanged!
Yes, the collapse happened and the black market stepped in. Would it not be great if the black market did not even exist to begin with, because we had an actual accountable market instead?
This is why your approach is unscientific, you attribute the effect to the cause and the cause to the effect when the reality of the issues with drugs in a global sense is that when you remove the legal protections/gov protections for a trade you inevitably end up with the only language avilable to use is violence, when people are faced with economic depravity.
but dealers just as other deadly parasites get wall.
lets hope no goverment ever makes a drug you need to survive illegal buddy, I dont think you would have the same attitude.
First thing, I was born and raised in Ireland to an Irish parent and a Chinese (supporter of the PRC) parent and spend most of my time now between China and Vietnam for work.
Drugs (classically illegal drugs) are also incredibly important to many non-oppressive groups as well though, involved in their spirituality and culture, independent of imperialism/capitalism. Plus things like Cannabis, Psilocybin, MDMA, Ketamine, LSD, all have health benefits (physical and mental health), low rates of addiction, and for all but ketamine (which is still not a problem until higher doses), practically bring no risk to physical health if the drugs are pure.
I think being anti-drug actually creates a lot of reactionary politics instead of solving the underlying issues why many use drugs (mental health, abuse, social exclusion, disability). Making them illegal and heavily criminalizing them creates a sub-class of criminal and others to be scapegoated and ostracized, without ever solving the problems.
To be honest, I have found China’s response to drugs understandable (due to the history of opiates in particular as a tool of imperialism) but incredibly reactionary in modern times. Drug use is increasing in China in young people and some of the policies towards drug use are absolutely exasperating this issue. (the same thing is happening in basically every country that has reactionary policies on drugs).
Plus on a side note, as an occasional recreational user of cannabis (maybe once a month, depending on what country I’m in, sometimes more if I’m in vacation), I see no issue with it being fully legal, with obvious limitations on use for age.
The number one drug where I’m from (periphery) is hash that’s mixed with who knows what (usually horrible shit), a lot of people smoke it and it’s normalized among most, pure hash is unaffordable for the working class here. There’s also a wide variety of pills that have unknown shit in them that are usually pretty dangerous and recently meth is starting to become a thing here when it didn’t use to be. There’s other stuff as well that I don’t remember right now, life is pretty bad here so I’m not surprised by the high drug use rates.
I’m not against drug use myself but the production of substances like meth and opioids should absolutely be heavily restricted because of how much damage they inflicted on humanity. As for drug use, criminalising doesn’t do shit except put people in prisons to be exploited and doesn’t touch on why people would become addicts in the first place. The penalty should fall on the large drug dealers who facilitate the selling of such substances. I have more to say but I can’t summarise my stance enough in a comment.
For a scientific approach, you must stop categorizing “drugs” as a monolithic block. Each drug must be analyzed and appropriately regulated to balance the good they do against the harm they cause.
edit: in fact, in light of your edit, not only unscientific but totally moralistic and idealistic. Similar to the patsoc bullshit, you can hide behind your Polishness to obfuscate your own western biases but they still shine through. Speaking down to comrades on this topic is quite despicable when it’s blatantly obvious you’ve done no research. Down-voting comrades w/ actual scientific analysis of the drug situation w/o responding is also just petty. Just want to restate that substances like psilocybin and peyote and ayahuasca are incredibly important to many imperialized people, and attempting to draw a “pro-drug” vs “anti-drug” dichotomy between the west and east or the global north and global south is a damned fool’s errand with no merit in historical or material fact. The true dichotomy is “pro-drug when it suppresses our enemies” and “anti-drug when it suppresses our enemies”, both lines held by the intl. bourgeoisie against the working class. If introducing heroin will destabilize and destroy a community, they are pro-drug. If psilocybin is being used for spiritual practices by a native pop., they are anti-drug. This is more complicated than kneejerk reaction and the painting of a dishonest picture.
I agree, to support the drug war in any capacity is to alienate 90% of any black person happening to come across your views.
It is inherently a racist position in a modern setting where we have more acsess to science and information in regards to things like moral panics, actual sociological research on the harms of drugs and the historical reasons as to why the drug war even started, which was removing votes from communists.
The American “War on Drugs” was a 4D chess play by Richard Nixon to target leftists, so I think all us should be able to agree that the war on drugs is bad in an Americentric context at least.
I disagree, we should be applying ideas around intersectionality and we should all be pro-legalization of drugs because we understand the scientific consensus here, which is this;
In the simplest terms ending the drug war would restore the right to vote to millions of black americans, who vote left and lean communist more than any other bloc; even just in practical terms our support for it would lead to large political gains.
This is not the 18th century anymore, we know that heroin is dangerous but we know that prohibition just makes it more dangerous, not less.
I do agree though any drug policy we consider needs to have the global south in mind.
I would say though what is causing the violence in the global south over the cocaine trade (and heroin in the middle east to a lesser degree) is that we simply refuse to engage in fair trade with them, so the black market fills its place.
I sometimes take 20x of my daily prescription of an obscure med bcs it has a funny effect (my Mom took that high extremely high dosage because it was prescriptef and it didn’t do nothing to her)
This is a Dengist community in favor of Bashar al-Assad with no information that can lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton, our fellow liberal and queen. This community is not ironic. We are Marxists-Leninists.
If you haven’t already found it, this GitHub page is an excellent collection of sources about socialism, imperialism, and other relevant topics, made by @dessalines and others.
lmao if you need drugs to understand basic empathy, says a lot about you.
what’s the deal with leftoids and wanting to consume CIA created chemicals for the sole purpose of breaking up communist organisations??? imperalists literally use these same chemicals do fuck over developing countries. we as commmies critique the british empire for 100 years of humiliation in china with their use of opium to enslave the masses, but in the same breath willingly shoot ourselves in the foot by using these same disgusting chemicals. if i joined an organisation and there were drug users i would leave. instant red flag.
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more pedant 🤓 takes from this thread. it has been weaponised against actual existing communism. and letting it in organisations will result in nothing good.
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whats your source on this?
this is a very shallow analysis of the opium wars, im going to spell it out for you but they wherent just enabled by us flooding the country with opium, we also did a lot of shooting people in between that; the opium was a small part of it.
Opium has 100s of medical uses and is invaluable to any hospital, drugs do not have morality attatched to them, they are chemicals. Analysis of how ‘evil’ they are is frankly, a christian perspective and a faulty one.
Can you really call yourself a communist while spouting such reactionary views?
Id disagree.
Try and understand why you feel that way, read some claudia jones; understand how the drug war has created this perception of morality in your head and clouded your critique into simping for a lever used by the upper classes to oppress the under.
lmao you can go to your orgs where everyone’s an addict/ stoner/ user and i’ll go to the ones where the people are inspiring, healthy, level headed champions of their communties.
and don’t be a pedant. you know i don’t mean drugs for medical reasons. i’m talking about recreational use that leads to addiction/depandance/degeneracy
ok adolf
go outside for once, go to a low socieo-economic part of town (that means leaving your mum & dad’s suburban mcmansion) meet an addict… and see if you’d want to be in an organisation with them. these lumpenproletarians are victims 100%. but they are not in the right conditions to be part of the vanguard at the moment.
Paternalistic and frankly uncomradely. Pretty disgusting stance to on the one hand claim that drugs are used to victimize people but on the other say that those victims aren’t comrades, you would not organize with them, and you see them as degenerates. Not to mention the completely oblivious way you discredit literally all drugs as created by the CIA (really? peyote? ayehuasca? cannabis? psilocybin?).
Do you organize with people who smoke? With people who drink? Are you ready to quit an organization because the members brought coffee to a meeting? Do you dig through people’s purses to make sure they don’t have any prescriptions?
This broad-brush painting of “drugs” as a single evil thing, and not just a classification of certain substances made illegal specifically to disenfranchise (predominantly Black and poor) voters that has no basis in science. What a disturbingly uncritical view.
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I understand this a lot though, when i took psychadelics I felt such a feeling of compassion towards others. I guess because they make the brain more active, you become instant commie
Promoting their use is illegal where I live, so I’m obligated to disagree; and any leftist promoting their use would risk being thrown in jail and lose face over something most people have already been conditioned to detest.
I think outside Western countries, promoting their use may be of more harm than benefit.
Neuron activated, class consciousness revealed
Im not kidding, but I came to the same philosophical worldview as Karl Marx describes it in Das Kapital when I took LSD, I mean I kind of knew I was mentally left leaning before that, but after I read Marx’ and Engels’ works I felt 100% understood and was shooked I came to the same conclusions without reading anything of the sort beforehand
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LSD makes you reconsider everything really.
How you reassemble that can be random (ive seen fash go more fash after doing acid)
Just a perspective, its a great drug but I try not to take anything I think on it seriously unless I put it through some serious sober filters later lol.
Great for giving you a 3d view of yourself (both internally and externally though)
Should 100% be legal.
Really makes you think…
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I got caught up in cocaine, speed and alcohol for a while and instead of a becoming leftist it set me up for a lifetime of crime. Hanging around the underbelly of society did, however, made me realize we are living in a broken system. But I only had that epiphany afterwards when I stopped doing drugs.
These are different drugs than MDMA and LSD though and I can understand someone gets a lot of loving feelings when doing these drugs. I just hope that in a future society we can stop sedating ourselves this much in our free time, or at least have a different perspective of which drugs we should use from time to time. I’m not against banning drugs but we are forced by our overlords to suffer unnecessarily because of them.
Recreational drugs would be safe in a classless society since it wouldn’t be weaponized by the ruling class to submit the other mentally. But right now, given the history of capitalist use of drugs to destroy resistance, it is imperative to not let comrades getting addicted.
However keep in mind that treatment of addiction must be compassionate and humane. Shock therapy is a capitalist myth in economics as well as in mental health. Addiction is a public health concern and addicts are victims of capitalism.
Interestingly enough the use of psychedelic mushrooms has been shown to combat addictions to other substances. I was fighting addiction to some prescription sleeping meds for many years until I started micro dosing magic mushrooms. Now I only tend to take them (the mushrooms) when my anxiety is really kicking up due to work and I start having restless nights. Even then it’s usually just one micro dose capsule a week. I’m off those meds completely.
It’s also what really showed me how fucked medicine is under capitalism. How we are nothing more than bag of money to get hooked for life on their product. They don’t want to cure your anxiety, your depression. They want you to rely on some drug for the rest of your life regardless of if it’s really helping you.
This right here. Big pharma got psychedelics criminalized because they’re extremely effective in 1 dose. They wanted drugs that you need to take every day for months or years, so they took what they learned from LSD and Psilocybin to create things like Prozac.
Well looks like drugs is a polemic topic and we have no consensus overall regarding its use
Yeah but note that people from imperialist countries are generally pro drug, and people from imperialized countries are against. Even regardless how even in the imperialist countries drugs are heavily adverse to the working class, this clearly points that in the capitalism we all should be anti drugs, since drugs are the enemy weapons in the class war.
EDIT: i’m incredibly disappointed how prodrugs you guys are here or rather, how loud the prodrugs minority here is. Oh well, nothing new in english-speaking internet communities, much less than on reddit actually. FYI i’m not for prohibition because that rarily work, especially now when western devil is out of the box - before if worked pretty well in socialist countries not being infiltrated by the western druglords, which is yet another proof how much the entire drug issue (or monolith as one nitpicker below tried to say) is an issue of class war and systemic opression. I’m for legalisation of mild substances, but also strict reglamentation and control. Dealers get wall, especially in socialism when they will have no soapy excuses i will undobtedly hear for the scum who “have no other option” than to prey on the working class now in capitalism.
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I’m in good company then, with “social fascists” such as Marx, Lenin, Mao and every AES in past or present existence.
The difference is we have acsess to so much sociological theory as to why drugs are not as bad now that continuing there stance on it is reactionary.
If you really think the USSRs drug policy is something worth emulating, they literally just copied the UNs drug policy lol.
There where many critics of its policy within the USSR, they called it
Lebedev in 1987
If you did read Lenin you would know he calls for working with the underclass, not executing them as you seem to think is acceptable.
Its unscientific and yes, reactionary.
Bullshit. We do know more about it, true, but still did nothing with that knowledge. Imperialist and compradors are still enslaving people with the drugs and booze just as in XIX century. And they do know better how to do it too.
Again, zero understanding. Even if politics was the same, conditions weren’t. Drug problem was very minor in USSR and generally in socialist countries in Europe, not because or despite of their drug politics but because it was not a problem before socialism too (unlike alcoholism), and the socialism did not allow imperialist to freely peddle that shit around. When socialism collapsed, narcotics became immediate and huge problem everywhere in a single year or two. Despite drug policy in this countries remaining mostly unchanged!
That is painful ignorance. Lenin literally intitured prohibition in USSR (which did not worked so it was removed) - i don’t think how else he would react to let’s say opioid epidemic.
And ease with your “underclass” nonsense, you drug preachers always conflate organized crime and working class. Nobody want to criminalize planting cannabis for fucks sake, just the opposite (again, the conditions changed since 1989 which i noted before, but you just of course ignored it and started to preach about USSR laws), but dealers just as other deadly parasites get wall.
Your posts certainly are both.
Point to ‘enslavement’ going on of other countries through drug policy. The only ‘enslavement’ going on is that of the American underclass, with the goverment using it as a justification to arrest millions of leftists and remove there right to vote.
In terms of foriegn policy, yes they use them as leverage to destablize countries; this is only an avilable option to them because it is illegal globally, and as such can be used as a wedge anywhere they need it to be used. If the global status quo was ‘legal’ do you really think it would be an effective tool for the CIA? Of course it wouldnt, it would be accountable to govs rather than gangs.
Yes, the collapse happened and the black market stepped in. Would it not be great if the black market did not even exist to begin with, because we had an actual accountable market instead?
This is why your approach is unscientific, you attribute the effect to the cause and the cause to the effect when the reality of the issues with drugs in a global sense is that when you remove the legal protections/gov protections for a trade you inevitably end up with the only language avilable to use is violence, when people are faced with economic depravity.
lets hope no goverment ever makes a drug you need to survive illegal buddy, I dont think you would have the same attitude.
First thing, I was born and raised in Ireland to an Irish parent and a Chinese (supporter of the PRC) parent and spend most of my time now between China and Vietnam for work.
Drugs (classically illegal drugs) are also incredibly important to many non-oppressive groups as well though, involved in their spirituality and culture, independent of imperialism/capitalism. Plus things like Cannabis, Psilocybin, MDMA, Ketamine, LSD, all have health benefits (physical and mental health), low rates of addiction, and for all but ketamine (which is still not a problem until higher doses), practically bring no risk to physical health if the drugs are pure.
I think being anti-drug actually creates a lot of reactionary politics instead of solving the underlying issues why many use drugs (mental health, abuse, social exclusion, disability). Making them illegal and heavily criminalizing them creates a sub-class of criminal and others to be scapegoated and ostracized, without ever solving the problems.
To be honest, I have found China’s response to drugs understandable (due to the history of opiates in particular as a tool of imperialism) but incredibly reactionary in modern times. Drug use is increasing in China in young people and some of the policies towards drug use are absolutely exasperating this issue. (the same thing is happening in basically every country that has reactionary policies on drugs).
Plus on a side note, as an occasional recreational user of cannabis (maybe once a month, depending on what country I’m in, sometimes more if I’m in vacation), I see no issue with it being fully legal, with obvious limitations on use for age.
The number one drug where I’m from (periphery) is hash that’s mixed with who knows what (usually horrible shit), a lot of people smoke it and it’s normalized among most, pure hash is unaffordable for the working class here. There’s also a wide variety of pills that have unknown shit in them that are usually pretty dangerous and recently meth is starting to become a thing here when it didn’t use to be. There’s other stuff as well that I don’t remember right now, life is pretty bad here so I’m not surprised by the high drug use rates.
I’m not against drug use myself but the production of substances like meth and opioids should absolutely be heavily restricted because of how much damage they inflicted on humanity. As for drug use, criminalising doesn’t do shit except put people in prisons to be exploited and doesn’t touch on why people would become addicts in the first place. The penalty should fall on the large drug dealers who facilitate the selling of such substances. I have more to say but I can’t summarise my stance enough in a comment.
For a scientific approach, you must stop categorizing “drugs” as a monolithic block. Each drug must be analyzed and appropriately regulated to balance the good they do against the harm they cause.
unscientific
edit: in fact, in light of your edit, not only unscientific but totally moralistic and idealistic. Similar to the patsoc bullshit, you can hide behind your Polishness to obfuscate your own western biases but they still shine through. Speaking down to comrades on this topic is quite despicable when it’s blatantly obvious you’ve done no research. Down-voting comrades w/ actual scientific analysis of the drug situation w/o responding is also just petty. Just want to restate that substances like psilocybin and peyote and ayahuasca are incredibly important to many imperialized people, and attempting to draw a “pro-drug” vs “anti-drug” dichotomy between the west and east or the global north and global south is a damned fool’s errand with no merit in historical or material fact. The true dichotomy is “pro-drug when it suppresses our enemies” and “anti-drug when it suppresses our enemies”, both lines held by the intl. bourgeoisie against the working class. If introducing heroin will destabilize and destroy a community, they are pro-drug. If psilocybin is being used for spiritual practices by a native pop., they are anti-drug. This is more complicated than kneejerk reaction and the painting of a dishonest picture.
I agree, to support the drug war in any capacity is to alienate 90% of any black person happening to come across your views.
It is inherently a racist position in a modern setting where we have more acsess to science and information in regards to things like moral panics, actual sociological research on the harms of drugs and the historical reasons as to why the drug war even started, which was removing votes from communists.
The American “War on Drugs” was a 4D chess play by Richard Nixon to target leftists, so I think all us should be able to agree that the war on drugs is bad in an Americentric context at least.
We aint gonna get shit done if we dont help the underclass out too
I disagree, we should be applying ideas around intersectionality and we should all be pro-legalization of drugs because we understand the scientific consensus here, which is this;
In the simplest terms ending the drug war would restore the right to vote to millions of black americans, who vote left and lean communist more than any other bloc; even just in practical terms our support for it would lead to large political gains.
This is not the 18th century anymore, we know that heroin is dangerous but we know that prohibition just makes it more dangerous, not less.
I do agree though any drug policy we consider needs to have the global south in mind. I would say though what is causing the violence in the global south over the cocaine trade (and heroin in the middle east to a lesser degree) is that we simply refuse to engage in fair trade with them, so the black market fills its place.
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I sometimes take 20x of my daily prescription of an obscure med bcs it has a funny effect (my Mom took that high extremely high dosage because it was prescriptef and it didn’t do nothing to her)
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it wasnt aderal it was like an obscure drug i dont know the engflish name of
Yeah, I fight in the war on drugs. On the side of drugs.
Don’t do drugs tho.
I hope you dont drink coffee, booze or take prescription medication!
Yeah I should have made it clear that I wasn’t actually advocating doing drugs.
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I have to disagree here.