The event was a hacker conference full of digitalactivists, ‘cyber partisans’, and ‘digital freedom’ types from mostly Europe. These people love doing ‘hacktivism’ that just happens to overlap with the interests of Nato cyber warfare strategy 🤔

noticed this back in highschool when anonymous was first getting really big, and so many of the people who considered themselves anti-establishment really praised them, but i had so many criticisms even back then.

then this year alone was a complete mess with the whole ddossecrets team and affiliated “hacking” organizations. then they sent a trans woman to ukraine to report, but of course nowhere near any azov’s folks. it’s brain dead. i called them out on being nato state actors

A lot of those mid-2000s “cyber-radicals” were, at best, Ron Paul libertarians; which meant, as usually does, that their takes on foreign policy could occasionally be decent, but that in everything else they were highly questionable. What sort of leavened them was that libertarianism used to be more of a big-tent movement, since, to gain some relevancy, the libertarians accepted all kinds of people who were disaffected with the mainstream American parties. (The Republicans purged their more populist elements after the 1964 election and the defeat of Barry Goldwater, the Democrats during the Clinton years). So if you had actual fascists in the libertarian ranks, you also had people who professed some vague type of socialism.

Now, of course, the old consensus has broken down. Serious leftists have either become MLs, or stopped caring about politics altogether. Most right-wing populists have become MAGA. Those on the fence have tended to join some sort of religious tendency unaligned with either left or right, such as Iran-type Shia Islam, or Christian socialism. This leaves the libertarians with less political relevancy than they ever possessed, and to stay relevant, they have been moving towards the Democrats. As a strategy, this is somewhat opaque, since even the Trump wing of the Republican Party is more amenable to libertarianism than the Democrats; but the libertarians have a personal grudge against MAGA (for “stealing our members”), and they can always fool themselves into thinking that in aligning with the Democrats, they are fighting against true enemies of freedom like Putin and Xi. Thus you are starting to see many of the elements who once opposed the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and who called any form of trans-national law or alliance “fascism,” suddenly cheerleading for NATO.

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What’s the story with ddosecrets?

it’s a rebranding of anonymous stuff, so more of the same. ddossecrets this year was pushing for austerity measures, sanctions, and regime change in russia. way too conveniently aligning itself with the USA state department/nationalist security agencies/western oligarchy. ignoring the history of ukraine for this past almost decade. echoing all the previous issues with anonymous overwhelmingly backing far right voices in the west while co-opting leftist language for it’s missions and to build it’s support base

ohhhh ok right, this is exactly my critique of them as well. their dumps of data on russian companies just happens to align exactly with when the us state dep and cia wants civilian participation in cyber warfare against russia? hmmmm… what’s funniest is i don’t think they are paid or compromised. they do this shit cuz they think it’s activism.

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i kind of believe that too, but it does seem there’s some other stuff going on,so i am left unsure. check my other comment i just replied to someone else

Any smoking guns?

If not, what do you suppose it would take to actually expose these groups as cronies of the US government?

Chelsea actually spoke to this point in her talk, she said that now states just do things in the open, but surriled it with so much disinformation that you can’t tell whats real or get overwhelmed. Look, the situation with Ukraine shows that the west is HAPPY to work with nazis, spend tax dollars on weapons for the military industry, let the poor pay for the gas bills of their wars, etc, and that’s all open. There’s nothing you can LEAK to make it look any worse than it is really. That’s genius, you can’t do a hack to expose a state who do it openly.

When it comes to DDOSecrets I don’t think they are ‘cronies’ in that they are directly directed by agents. I think they just ideologically align with their own empire in the global struggle for imperialist primacy and buy the propaganda that its ‘progressive activism’ to support Nato interests on this issue. I have asked these people if they are paid by CIA btw, and told them they should be because as a trade unionist I believe in a fair days pay for a hard day’s work.

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besides the little bit that i could gather on my own, i got nothing. exposing them would be all about doxxxing, and getting receipts and or transcripts of any communication. i did notice ddossecrets mention some of the tools being used, and i know the hacking organizations submitting to ddossecrets did not make those tools, so that’s a start. they’re not using civilian tools/knowledge, so they have access to something civilians do not. also points out there’s also a slight decentralization in their organizational structure, from actors to journalists/presenters. there’s also been a lot of inter-fighting between those organizations, so might actually be easy to find someone who could talk about what’s going on in more depth and expose what’s really going on

“Whitehats” do be being “white” for sure

Has the concept of a “redhat hacker” been coined yet? No relation to the corporate linux distro

Jeremy corbyn would be ‘old hat’, as in… Hes been wearing the same old hat for 30 years cuz it still works so why toss it out

I heard about redcaps at most

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Before it ended I spoke briefly to the spokesperson for the Belarussian Cyber Partisans about the way her organisation strives to do nation building in post Lukashenko Belarus. She said her vision for a future for her country is an agreement with Belarus, Poland, Ukraine, and Turkey in an alliance serving as a buffer zone to Europe, getting funding from the EU and building tech incubators to get US military investment. Of course I said, ‘so fortress Europe can be even more insulated with a layer of buffer from a nationalistic slavic alliance?’ to which she excitedly said ‘YES!’ She finished by saying that they would need to foster a sense of national identity for people to coalesce around. I had to ask her how much the USA is involved in all this and she said ‘they don’t care enough to help’ lol.

She also said she wants Belarus to take back Vilnius as a ‘kind of joke’.

I think she was honest with me as well. Just crazy how the ‘hacker scene’ is so well called to heel for the US empire.

She also said she wants Belarus to take back Vilnius as a ‘kind of joke’.

A joke that would not fly well with the Polish nazis.

Lmao imagine to know this little of their desired future “allies”. Also this would be probably good moment to talk about Hrodna.

An alliance of nazis where every countries nazis hate the other loll

Isn’t that just NATO?

Oh shit

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Just so happens to overlap 🙄 I used to know one of these freedom hacker types and the lib takes were staggering.

So Chelsea Manning has joined the dumbass side, then?

That’s too bad.

Didn’t she start out as US military employee? Thus technically she’s gone back.

I’m not watching this I don’t want 100 Gecs ruined for me

She looks like Jar Jar in the thumbnail

I thought she was still in prison

Looks like she was released in 2020

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Not super up to speed with Chelsea Manning’s particular case but this is the type of situation that it is good to be aware of: comrades or left-adjacent activists who have been institutionalized should be treated with care as they may have been compromised.

This was a common concern in many resistance movements including the French Resistance and Black Panthers.

Would you mind expanding at all on what you mean by compromised? This is a subject really interesting to me specifically surrounding the black panthers- I’ve read from old panthers that Huey Newton sorta became a problem in his later years as he was generally the face of the party and one of the first people that one would look to learn about them and his later writings were just kinda weird and off focus from the real struggle.

I’m wondering if we really know what went down, did they torture them with things like solitary confinement to just try and screw them up permanently to make them not threat? Were people paid by the state to say certain things in exchange for getting free?

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Well the panthers really gets murky because the US still hasn’t released all their records on this. It is hard to find credible sources that speak directly on these things and if you do find credible sources they are indirect and cagey. And as to French resistance you can read the memoirs of resistance fighters and they are full of this kind of stuff where the nazis only released someone if they’d inform (my personal as of yet unproven suspsicion is that the OSS people dropped into france to “help” the resistance were really there to undermine the french communists who were gaining massive popular support and really made up almost the entire resistance).

But I would say the type of people we’re referring to (panthers) are not gonna be bribed, but rather tortured or brainwashed. I think people who fully write off project monarch as fancy are doing themselves a disservice. Rather look at how guantanamo bay works to break down people who are often not even convicted of crimes and tortures the shit out of them and remember that MK ultra and other projects yielded tons of useful data. I just assume that all the torture we see at places like gitmo are very easily and often complimented by application of LSD and other psychedelic drugs.

There is actually a paper I found a while ago where a Cal berkeley professor talks about this (and he was involved in prison “rehabilitation”) and it is literally like clockwork orange drugs+torture+exposure therapy - I can’t link it because I found it in a college library archive.

The main takeaway though is that in prison the enemy has unrestricted access to this person 24/7 and who knows what the fuck they were doing and talking about or threatening them with.

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This is a bit of an aside, but much like with MK-Ultra, Project Monarch experiments were given a home in Canadian medical institutions where they quickly became tools used as trans conversion therapy. The thought being that children with gender dysphoria could be induced to dissociate from their trans identity through sexual assault.

Project Monarch definitely is a much farther-reaching atrocity than the little public discourse led people to believe.

Edit: removed a bit of this after doing some searching and seeing that it could lead to identifying information.

And then she immediately paid for a ticket to some right wing, libertarian party talm bout “I’m gatecrashing!” The fuck you are; that was about the moment I was certain she was irreparably compromised.

Chelsea Manning? Is this the same person? Please tell me this is false… please.

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“Biden is bae” blasts Wendy’s commercial

Who is Chelsea manning

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US military whistleblower, jailed for a while for giving classified documents to wikileaks

She also got jailed for refusing to testify against Assange

Edit: now she’s a DJ

You forgot “rebound partner for Grimes after leaving Elon Musk” which… I don’t know that, to me, already primed me enough to anticipate something like this.

EDIT:

Look I’m not gonna fault anyone for their past partners and evolving as a person, or act like they’re somehow inherently tarnished for it… BUT. By all accounts this happened during a period when Grimes and Elon were still an off and on thing making Chelsea part of their weird fucked up thruple.

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Every time I read about the love lives of billionaires, liberals, or anarchists I come away wanting espouse Kropotkin, i.e., give up reading forever.

Judging from the people around me irl, celebrity worship is one of the most destructive facet of the capitalist media. And i’m not telling about the hero worship in general, that can be even beneficial if done right (like in the case of Lei Feng), but the mindless obsessive interest about existence of bunch of worthless parasites who are today celebrities. Sadly especially women are targeted by this. This is turning people brains into mush, like i was flabberghasted by the amount of people literally crying for the fucking queen of some shit island on the other side of continent. Or the personality cult of pope JP2, who didn’t even expressed any shred of personaly whatsoever.

You’re right I dunno why you made the edit 😅

bruh

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@OP any reason you didn’t name the conference? from the date and the presence of both Chelsea Manning and the “Belarusian Cyber Partisans” I guess it must have been “the secret club of radical transparency presents: (-_-(-_-(-_-)-_*)-_-) a performative conference on hacking, whistleblowing, surveillance and freedom of information” at the Theater Neumarkt in Zürich?

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Wow you’re so clever, you can Google! I didn’t name it because the name is too long and isn’t the most interesting thing about it. Why do you feel the need to share every detail?

After reading your post, my second thought (after my first thought, which was that’s disappointing) was to wonder what conference it was, what it was about generally, and who else was there. So, after spending a few seconds figuring that out (using a search engine that isn’t google, btw) I figured I’d save others the time by posting it here. HTH, HAND.

I think it’s just kinda weird to make sure to post all the information in the longest form possible. But sure that’s cool. It just felt like you were saying, ‘why aren’t you posting all the info about it’ and then being a bit vindictive by making sure to.

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Wow you’re so clever, you can Google! I didn’t name it because the name is too long and isn’t the most interesting thing about it. Why do you feel the need to share every detail?

I’m not sure what made you say think he’s trying to be clever,
But it’s interesting to know, I would about the third most, after you hearing something awful from another person and that person being Chelsea Manning.

You let people know which conference people might want to avoid. Such a conference wouldn’t likely be inviting Chelsea Manning if they didn’t approve of his message, or they would let the audience audibly know that their speakers’ does not reflect theirs.

I can’t say the same thing of 100 gecs playing there, whom I assume are just there to get paid for their music.

Please edit this immediately, it is incredibly inappropriate for you to deadname and misgender Chelsea whatever her political views

My apologies, I forgot the name change.
Her previous name is still attached in my head as it was her name during the leaks.

Thanks for changing it.

Literally Russia is currently capitalist and totalitarian what

Their govt is capitalist. Putin mostly sucks. They’re also the only thing standing in the way of the total hegemony of the largest fascist empire the world has ever seen spearheaded by the U.S.

Russia, as “totalitarian” as it may be, does not ban communists from its government and in fact the communist party is very large. It does ban neo-Nazi groups as well as parties calling themselves explicitly fascist. Ukraine, on the other hand, has avowed fascists in positions of power in both the government and the military. They have recently banned all communist parties as well as all leftist parties, ranging from mere anti-war liberals to social-democrats. Anyone bringing awareness to the Nazi problem in Ukraine is summarily arrested. Zelensky himself wants to turn Ukraine into a “new Israel” with ethnic Ukrainians being in charge of an apartheid state where ethnic Russians are second class citizens and armed military police roam the streets and “guard” movie theatres, hospitals, schools, and more.

Russia is currently attempting to liberate ethnic Russians in the Donbass region from an ethnic cleansing campaign that goes back to 2014 and before. Over 14,000 ethnic Russians have had their lives taken by the Ukrainian military and many more have had their homes and livelihoods destroyed. This is the reason Crimea voluntarily voted to join the Russian federation, as did the people in the Donbass. Russia is acknowledging a democratic referendum. Ukraine is continuing its ethnic cleansing policy. It may seem complicated, but there is an obvious answer to the question of which camp is perpetuating imperialism and genocide and which one is finding itself fighting against it.

Zelensky himself wants to turn Ukraine into a “new Israel” with ethnic Ukrainians being in charge of an apartheid state

Where can I read more about this?

The Belorussian Cyber Partisan also wants to turn Belorus in to a new Israel for the Western empire. She wants her country to become a tech hub, grow their economy and attract ‘skilled workers’, part of which is driven by defence contracts. She wants it to have a strong ethic identity based around fear, and victimisation by their neighbours who want to destroy them, and to serve as a buffer for the west against their enemies.

I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s advocated for apartheid based on this, just that he admires apartheid and wants to implement a police state. A lot of this article is also attributed to a Daniel Shapiro rather than Zelenskyy.

If you completely ignore all context, everything else I mentioned, and everything else Zelensky has said, sure. Zelensky has personally lauded the banning of political parties and human rights groups advocating for the rights and protections of ethnic Russians in Ukraine

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-zelensky-big-israel-moscow-nervous-why

This article goes into more detail.

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Well I asked for reading material and what you sent me didn’t support the claim. You haven’t said anything else in this thread to establish and substantiate Zelenskyy advocating for apartheid. The article is also clear that it’s the author’s speculating and just following the trajectory. I’m not saying Zelenskyy and his government aren’t Nazis, I’m just asking for condemnation to be based on verifiable non-rescinded statements. Banning socialism and being against the people is bad enough. But publicly supporting apartheid is (I think…) going to turn public opinion against him in Europe. If it’s actually something he’s advocated I want it sourced and I want it heard by my fellow Europeans.

As a counterpoint to the narrative in the article: What else is a police state necessary to enforce? My suggestion is the suppression of communism.

My suggestion is the suppression of communism.

That’s already happening in Ukraine, so it’s not what they are talking about. Also, apartheid is already in motion there too, since 2014 when they passed some bills against the russian minority and russian speaking Ukrainians. And their shock therapy especially endangerd Donbass. And they literally started to kill them when they protested. If that’s not apartheid then what it is. Zelensky is standing on a stance of victory in this war, which means Donbas would return to Ukraine - and they want to do what exactly with Donbas then? It will escalate like never before. Again, those are the people who even in middle of losing war make senseless terror strikes against civilians and even attacked Crimea.

That’s already happening in Ukraine, so it’s not what they are talking about.

I’m suggesting that that could be all there is. It doesn’t have to be more. It’s illegal now and enforced because there’s a war going, but how is enforcement going to look once the country is stable?

since 2014 when they passed some bills against the russian minority and russian speaking Ukrainians

Okay, so this is what I want to know more about please.

If that’s not apartheid then what it is.

Apartheid is legal, that’s the big difference I’m getting hung up on. All the defacto apartheid in the world is going to faze most liberals because 1) They’re usually racist themselves and 2) “It’s just retaliation for the war by lone wolfs and it’s blown out of proportion”. But legal apartheid is non-refutable (lol let’s go with harder to refute).

Donbas would return to Ukraine - and they want to do what exactly with Donbas then?

Kill (kill is being used a hyperbolic synonym to abuse) Russian citizens and collaborators where there is legal framework for saying they supported an illegal invasion by Russia. Even in the case where the legal wording allows discrimination against those in the east, it wouldn’t illicit as strong a response from the European public as if the legal wording mentioned ethnicity.

Again, those are the people who even in middle of losing war make senseless terror strikes against civilians and even attacked Crimea.

This feels like you’re trying to convince me that the Ukrainian regime is nazis. I’m already onboard with that. I’m only not onboard with the assertion by SovereignState that I have been shown evidence that Zelenskyy has talked about a legally enforced apartheid system.

I’m suggesting that that could be all there is. It doesn’t have to be more. It’s illegal now and enforced because there’s a war going, but how is enforcement going to look once the country is stable?

Please be real. Anticommunism is going in Ukraine since 1991, it goes HARD since 2014 to the point where old babushkas are dragged and convicted in courts for presenting soviet memorabilia including posting them on internet. If after the war the same clique remains ruling nothing will stop, it will most probably escalate.

Okay, so this is what I want to know more about please.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-010539_EN.html?redirect

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210401-new-law-stokes-ukraine-language-tensions

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine

Just a minute of search and already three separate cases. And as you can see not even only Russians, Hungarians and Greeks are targeted too. They aren’t even solely antirussian, they are raging chauvinists. Shock therapy:

https://mronline.org/2022/08/01/west-prepares-to-plunder-post-war-ukraine-with-neoli

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/economics-of-disintegration-in-ukraine/

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/ukraine-is-ripe-for-shock-doctrine/

https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-24/ukraine-supplement/states-of-shock/

Apartheid is legal

As seen above, it is legal.

Kill (kill is being used a hyperbolic synonym to abuse) Russian citizens and collaborators

It’s not even hyperbolic. Ukraine is deploying deathsquads. For example in Bucha they literally murdered people wearing white armbands, which weren’t even collaborators, just neutral people wanting to live despite war. Now when Russians retreated from some land, Ukraine is openly stating it will purge it. Hard to say how much this is happening since reliable information is scarce and media are controlled.

it wouldn’t illicit as strong a response from the European public

West is spinning everything into proukrainian message or whitewashing it or silencing it, like the aforementioned Bucha massacre, massive amounts of neonazis in Ukraine military, apartheid law, blames Russia for attacks on Russians (!) or civilians in Donbas, rampant corruption etc etc. Zelensky could be personally slaughtering infants in center of Kiev and you would hear praises of it.

I would recommend digging a bit more, a small example how narration has changed:

I’m already onboard with that

Good. That clears some of what i already wrote above. Question is, why are you thinking the banderists neonazis won’t do what every other nazis in history had done, apartheid and persecution of minorities. Hell they even TELL you they will do things like one of the clearest cases of apartheid state, Israel, is doing.

I’m only not onboard with the assertion by SovereignState that I have been shown evidence that Zelenskyy has talked about a legally enforced apartheid system.

As i said before, that is already legally in place. They are just telling you it will be worse.

Please be real. Anticommunism is going in Ukraine since 1991, it goes HARD since 2014

But they still had two breakaway socialist republics. Shocktherapy will only exacerbate anti-government opinions. If the enforcement wasn’t strong enough before, then this war is a good excuse to strengthen it now.

Just a minute of search and already three separate cases.

But these aren’t based on non-alienable traits. The first one is refuted in the reply by the commission. The second is the most damning but still doesn’t point towards punishments for private use. The third source even says that Russian is allowed as an option, as long as the publication is fully accessible in Ukrainian. Other countries have similar laws. Over time, Russian language use might die out because of them but it’s not apartheid.

I’ve seen compelling evidence of planned and actively happening liberalisation. I’m onboard here as well. Abuse was meant to include murder, but also smaller abuses. I’m also not pretending the west’s propaganda isn’t overt. I’d like credible smoking-gun sources on apartheid in part to fight some of this propaganda.

Question is, why are you thinking the banderists neonazis won’t do what every other nazis in history had done, apartheid and persecution of minorities.

(De jure, because de facto persecution of minorities is happening) Because I think it would be unpopular in Europe and they want Europe’s support. Vigilantism can serve their needs fine. And I’m not even saying you’re wrong and it hasn’t happened, just that the evidence I’ve seen is ambiguous, and I requested unambiguous evidence.

If something is written in law that allows serious discrimination based on inalienable traits, then that can be broadcast and change the narrative about the regime. A hundred photos of nazis is only just that. One hundred photos. They have 40M people, so it’s squishy. (Yes I understand that there were 800000 Euromaiden protestors standing side by side with Nazi flag carriers) But legal code isn’t squishy. Statements by Zelenskyy aren’t squishy.

But they still had two breakaway socialist republics. Shocktherapy will only exacerbate anti-government opinions. If the enforcement wasn’t strong enough before, then this war is a good excuse to strengthen it now.

Ukraine had by now two huge waves of shock therapy starting in 1991 and 2014 and few smaller ones, and the most noticeable effect of them was mass exodus of people both to Russia and to the west for nearly solely economical reasons. The breakaway was more a compound effect of shock therapy, the oppression of russian-speakers, coup trampling over the eastern Ukraine, and anticommunism somewhat too. Do remember that there are many russian-speakers in Ukraine that do identify as Ukrainians, and the chauvinist nation-building narration maidan clique presses is far from truth. Also history proven that the shock therapies in east Europe did not sparked nearly enough opposition to really change anything - in no country except Belarus they did change anything by themselves. people just sucked it up, with very active western support for the compradors making all the efforts to make it so.

I linked you the IMF and G7 plans for post war looting of Ukraine which by all means will be probably one of the most tragic event that country witnessed since 1991… and the eagerness of the Zelensky government for allowing it. Of course things are still hanging because the looters don’t know if they would have anything to loot left after the war (meaning they are not sure Ukraine will still exist as a state), and Zelensky is so eager to please them because they are the only thing that are currently supporting his neonazi clique and he will need A LOT more material support if he’s gonna keep his butt on his office and not inside siberian prison. I just wonder where the line for support lie for them. Or if that really matter, since the profits are all going to private pockets of bourgeosise and all the costs are on the working class as usual in the imperialist wars.

But these aren’t based on non-alienable traits. The first one is refuted in the reply by the commission. The second is the most damning but still doesn’t point towards punishments for private use. The third source even says that Russian is allowed as an option, as long as the publication is fully accessible in Ukrainian. Other countries have similar laws. Over time, Russian language use might die out because of them but it’s not apartheid.

The institution most famous for blind support and propaganda of banderists is of course supporting the banderists. Can’t those pesky Russians, Greeks and Hungarians just stop being what they are and become good Ukrainians.

You know, that’s not even just apartheid. That is, borrowing the popular liberal terminology, cultural genocide.

Because I think it would be unpopular in Europe and they want Europe’s support.

Sorry but you’re just denying reality at this point. EU media and politicians are just cheering them up no matter what they do.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiujHmNj1k6/?igshid=YzA2ZDJiZGQ=

White Phosporus, what are they liberating? This isn’t liberation. We must be better than our enemies, not equal to them.

I’ll be sure to trust Geografia News over news outlets that actually exist outside of instagram

I don’t wanna fuck with instagram, but let me guess, it’s a “Chandelier” illumination shell again?

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So you nitpick on Newsweek and ignore LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE, just admit you don’t actually care about any of the people involved in this shit.

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Something about the enemy of my enemy…

True enough, i prefer to not be involved in taking sides here because both are very much propagandistic. Buuut, i will still buy shit from Russia because i am not Ukranian and Fuck the US of A

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Does anyone know where to learn to hack good? I’m just a code monkey.

Found the NSA agent

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You took the words right out of my mouth (please give them back)

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