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@bidetmarxman: A few hours ago, the pressure in Nord Stream 2, the undersea gas line connecting Russia and Germany, plummeted and began leaking gas bubbles into the Baltic sea near the Danish island of Bornholm. 🧵...…

In addition to that, it seems that there were apparrently a small flotilla of NATO military ships doing “exercices” of new tech for “underwater interventions” (you know, innocent stuff like disabling sea mines … or sabotaging a pipeline). The last positions known of those ships was only a few dozen kilometers from the places with the leaks (something like 50 km from the NS1 leaks, and 60 km from the NS2 leak, or the reverse, not sure from memory), and I also read someone saying that the ships stopped transmitting their positions soon after that (maybe not unusual when doing military exercices, but if the case it would be the perfect cover), but i have yet to see a source for that, so take it will a little salt.

Ok doing some research, I found reference to this NATO naval exercices in june (so not so long ago) near the Island of Gotland, close to where the leaks happenned, so this would match what I read elsewere : https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_196240.htm

Of course the leaks happenned long after the exercice ended, but if we go by the example of the 2015 failed sabotage, then they might have simply used the exercices as a cover to approach the pipelines and put there unmaned devices that they activated later (after all a leak when they were still there would have been too obvious).

Funny thing is that a few day agos there was another NATO navak exercice, this one near the coast Portugal, about new " unmanned systems for maritime operations" : https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_207293.htm

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Will be interesting days ahead of us. If it’s Russia then shit will start no doubt.

If it’s the US (no doubt) then it will be interesting to see how they spin it. We’re not so fond of the US in Europe either (our leaders are) so them sabotizing our gas supply should at least get protests started. Or will they and our leaders spin this as a positive thing? Or a false flag, perhaps? Seems more likely with the amount of muscle talk coming from the EU right now.

But if it is a US plot, and we can find out and prove it, this might be one of the dumbest things they did. Fucking with your ally?

How many times has the USA been caught spying on European leaders and the public in the last ten years? How many times have they got caught funding terrorists or hurting us in other ways? This entire war with Ukraine is the USA hurting us in their quest to hurt Russia (And of course Ukraine suffers the most).

I’d love to see a strong response condemning the USA, sanctions, cutting ties, demanding reparations, the whole thing, but what I expect to see is some finger wagging at Russia while saying under our breath “(It’s okay we know you didn’t do it…)”.

We’ve been treating Germany badly for a while now. Ally isn’t the greatest word for it. Maybe supra-colony?

Isn’t out of the norm for the U.S

My theory based on information thus far is that this is part of the US push for economic control of Europe, put them in their knees and force them to suck the teat of the US capitalist class.

Biden is like Agent 47, tryna make obvious ass sabotage look like an accident

and on telegram there stories that sweden is investigating sabotage, and denmark and germany were believed it was sabotage. I believe in Germany there have been protests to open the nord stream pipeline

yeah my understanding is that there were huge protests happening literally the day before the likely-sabotage

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That is totally nuts!
Absolute bonkers!
Destroying their own ally’s economy by force!
While the German leaders were licking their heels!

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Wait… now that I think of it, I don’t think it’s the US who did it,
unless Nuland went nuts or something,
but if the US, Germany or Russia wanted zero gas flowing through these pipelines,
they could all do so without sabotaging the pipes.

It’s Ukraine.

The US, UK or EU might have given them the means to do so and I highly doubt it was for this specific purpose.
That would make the most sense.
The US puppet is losing and getting desperate.
It’s close to Danish waters, not deep into international waters, because it wasn’t done by some sub either, they simply used diving suits and explosives.
There’s plenty of Ukrainian immigrants everywhere in Europe. I’ve seen at least a dozen of them in my country this year, my country is further away from Ukraine than Denmark and I don’t go out that much, so unlike Russians, Ukrainians would have been overlooked.

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Also, it might not be even be the Ukrainian state doing it, but some desperate multi-millionaire EU immigrant from Eastern Ukraine who is about to lose his home, factories, land and everything else due to the referendum, as he/she’ll refuse to live in Russia, then is egged on by a bunch of other Ukrainians with at least two having diving experience and at least one having combat experience who all thought it was a bright idea to make it impossible for Germans to make peace with Russia and immediately start importing gas again without it going through Ukraine first.
The person with connections to the Ukrainian black market then buys explosives and then they have someone steering a small boat plus a diving team of two to place two explosives on each pipeline in case one of them fails to explode or they’re unable to find the pipeline underwater, which is why there’s now three holes in two pipelines instead of two or four.

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But yanks somehow still deny he is a monster

to be fair he’s an old, senile monster that repeats what he’s told to out of a teleprompter. i can’t even imagine what better evidence there is for the fact that, especially since JFK, the president has little to no say over imperial policy haha

anyone else anxiously thinking “what the fuck is going to happen this winter”? like seriously, something’s gotta give. it’s like watching the prequel to US collapse, all in slow motion.

This winter? I’m anxiously thinking what will happen next day over. So much shit is happening at the same time. And tbh USA collapse is one of the things I don’t expect soon.

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And tbh USA collapse is one of the things I don’t expect soon.

Define soon.
I say after 2023 and before 2030.

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“My vision board” LMAOOO

2025

Why 2025?
SPR is halving in a single year at this speed.
Oil should be scarce pretty soon for them.

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The only reason oil hasn’t exploded is that the gov has tapped into the SPR and passed it off as if they secured more oil. We are fucked.

haven’t they used, like, a surprisingly large portion of it too? i recall seeing something about that in the past few months

That’s what I meant, basically, yes. Within the next decade.

of course, i mean as the breaking point approaches it will get progressively worse and worse. regarding US collapse: me neither, but what’s happening in europe will probably in many ways mirror what could happen in a US collapse, this is what i mean by a prequel. wildly increasing cost of living and consumption, unrest, and a surge in both communism and fascist reaction to varying degrees.

What’s happening in Europe is happening specifically for the purpose of slowing down or abating US collapse. For a proper collapse there needs to be a crisis in leadership and military support of non-government forces (as was the case with Bolsheviks for example). I see neither in USA right now. Sure, the talking heads change, but the apparatus behind them stands solid. And military supports it, as do intelligence agencies

yeah i mean i agree with you given the situation as it stands now. the issue is what will happen when either it has no more “allies” to cannibalize or the world is thrown into a third world war. as it loses imperial domination and the cheap labor/materials from that, it will also lose its grip on its own national integrity. again, i’m not saying collapse is going to happen tomorrow, i’m saying that whenever it does, it may look very similar to what might happen in europe this winter and in that sense i see europe as a prequel.

What’s happening in Europe is happening specifically for the purpose of slowing down or abating US collapse

100%. It’s imperialism, slowly losing its ability to plunder abroad, turning inwards and pushing what was always inevitable - the exploitation of Europe and everyone outside the most inner core of US empire.

And that’s what worries me - the Empire had survived by plunder for quite a while. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect the current plunder to not prolong its life.

I understand that it sounds defeatist, but I am merely urging against unnecessary optimism.

sabotage wouldn’t surprise me but I’d be curious to know how you go about doing that

The linked twitter thread talks about two possible ways of sabotaging towards the end

Another great investigation from my favourite professional hog groomer

At this point I’d put money on it being an american/eu joint operation.

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Oh 100% if there’s foul play its the West around 95% of the time. In this context I feel certain. The timing is just too fucking perfect.

It’s just a little too sussy innit.

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my brain is broken by your constant sex jokes. Because it was you I spent like 10 seconds wondering if sussy was wordplay on bussy.

But yes it is sussy and this is for all the marbles so nothing is off the table.

“Blowing the back outta that Nord Strussy” - Comrade Ratto

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Oh fuck that was me wasn’t it 😨

Edit: also damn Seanchaí in with the utter smut 😳

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Constant sex jokes?! I’m insulted! Name one comment where I made a sex joke 🫱

Sussy baka 😌

Edit: the idea of you googling sussy to check what it means makes me smile 😊

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well it’s easier to blame it on you than to say I can’t stop thinking about bussy all day long…

That’s true, I do like to be used 😏

Whose sabotage is the question. I know who will be blamed for it, but I would like to know the actual culprit.

I know I think this means escalation is coming in the winter.

Doesn’t that just make you feel warm and fuzzy inside

I wish. It’s September and I’m cold already. Sub 18°C in my home yesterday

I was being sarcastic. But hey, look on the bright side. We’ve survived the 90’s, you can survive the current crisis.

We’ll have to heat ourselves using our burning hatred for imperialists

Well then we should be having fewer and fewer heating problems the longer this winter goes on lol

I will soon be able to fry an egg on any surface in my apartment

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yeah, that thread essentially says the same thing. Both sides will blame the other but like a detective… who has the motive? and that answer is obvious imo

Obvious to whom? Is it obvious to the hundreds of millions of EU citizens?

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To me.

No offense, but you are one person. There are millions in the EU alone, who are missing the point of these events. Who are being geared up for full throttle, mask off fascism and possibly even war with Russia.

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Yeah of course, none taken, I think we’re just talking past each other because… I mean I can’t help that. You said you wanted to know the actual culprit… it’s the US either directly or through one of their puppets. Or did you mean more specifically? Like Denmark or something?

Yeah, something more narrow, something that could be pinned.

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