What are your thoughts? And what are the native poeples thoughts on an independant Quebec?

I don’t care about qebec but I want to see Canada burn

I’m not even from North America, but my thought is an independent Quebec will divide North America further which will weaken capitalist and imperialist hegemony, especially if independent Quebec turns socialist. So I’m in favor

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Same. A divided and weakened Canada is better for the whole world. Simple as.

Same goes for the US and UK. Call me an opportunist but i think all secessionist and separatist movements there should be critically supported. If they were to succeed it would be a significant blow to imperialism.

I’m far from well versed on the topic but my understanding is the contemporary Quebec independence movement is pretty damn reactionary. I don’t think the Bloc Québécois is very friendly at all towards indigenous people and I highly doubt indigenous sovereignty is much of a concern in their idea of an independent Quebec.

That being said it would help to further tear this shithole country apart so I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing it.

Québec has a weird history. French is an official language here in Canada alongside English. In the before times the English and French were beefing hard over Canada. Québec, unlike other provinces/territories, has a majority francophone population with laws promoting the French language over English, because back then the French were in a way “oppressed” by the English so that’s why there’s this strong feeling of preservation among québécois.

I’d have more sympathy to the movement if it aligned itself with the Indigenous Peoples, who as far as I know do not support it in its current form. Considering the fact that Aboriginal Nations here don’t even have complete sovereignty it makes sense why they wouldn’t support Québec leaving at this time, the Aboriginal Nations within Québec would kinda be forced into annexation.

The Québec Sovereignty movement seems to stem from pure nationalism. They don’t have their own currency, constitution, defence, etc. so separating now would be quite detrimental. There’s also the fact that the general population of québécois seem to be split as well, half wanting to leave and the other half wanting to stay. They need to get a large majority of their own population on board before anything can really be done.

An Alberta separatist movement has begun to spring up over here, due to weird beef with both the feds and Québec. I’d say Alberta’s reasons for wanting to leave are incredibly stupid compared to Québec, at least québécois have understandable reasons even if it’s not really well thought out right now.

Separating would require a re-opening of the constitution which, for some reason, nobody wants to do. Leaving the monarchy would require this as well.

While I support self-determination and would love to see the fall and rebuilding of our constitution, I think Québec separatists are a bit misguided in their goals and what it is they truly want. Not to say there isn’t leftists in the movement, but it’s majority reactionary, like how it’s reactionaries demanding sovereignty in Alberta. I’d tread carefully.

This is a bit of a misunderstanding of the sovereignty movement. Quebec does have a constitution (though it is comprised of several sets of regulatory legislation rather than one specific document, largely because the consolidation of the Quebec provisions of the Constitution Act, the Charter of the French Language, the National Assembly Act, the Executive Act and the fundamental Quebecois rights Act would be done only in the event of actual secession).

The part about the currency: not so important, plenty of territories have seceded while using the currency of their former nations, and they could easily switch to a franco-dollar. They also have the resources necessary for being an independent nation.

The sovereignty movement is not right-wing (though plenty of anti-fed, anti-immigration right-wing nationalists do support sovereignty. The Communist Party of Canada, the Marxist-Leninist Party of Quebec, the Parti Quebecois (socdem) and Quebec solidaire (socdem) all support Quebecois sovereignty.

The FLQ was a Marxist-Leninist organisation that attempted to spur Quebec into revolutionary secession, and was met with military crackdown. This would happen in any secession, even electoral, as Quebec is integral to energy (hydro-Quebec sells energy to other provinces and is second only to Ontario for energy production), fresh water, and forestry (second only to BC) for the entire country. The St Lawrence is also a key transportation corridor.

Canada has a long history of military intervention at home, and uses the RCMP to violently stamp out any form of anti-fed or anti-corporate protesting or land defense. It’s normalised in this country for the liberals (NDP, Conservative or Liberal, doesn’t matter) to support violent military raids on Indigenous land defenders on their own unceded territories, and to this day there is a general sentiment that the imposition of martial law in the face of the FLQ was a reasonable and necessary step. Canadians are fiercely “proud” of their massive landmass and believe that (even in territory that their own laws claim they have no jurisdiction over) they have every right to violently enforce their laws. They would never peacefully accept a secession of such a large and central landmass.

The only reason not to support the Quebec sovereignty movement is because, as you said, there is a strong lack of involving Indigenous landback and sovereignty. The Bloc is the largest pro-sovereign party and would be vehemently opposed to working alongside Indigenous people to secure independence.

Unfortunately, right-wing nationalists have a large amount of political sway in Quebec, and have done a good job of convincing people that racist anti-immigration policies are in the best interests of securing a French bulwark against the federal “melting pot” that they see as a tactic to stamp out Quebecois culture. In no surprise to anyone who knows French history, Islamaphobia and anti-Muslim legislation are at a peak in Quebec, which is, I think, why the sovereign movement as a whole gets painted as reactionary.

However, it’s important to note that most of the right-wing parties in Quebec (and the ones who most support the racist legislation) are not in favour of sovereignty, but rather the support the “nation within a nation” model that currently exists. This allows them to continue to operate their corporations with special exemptions while not dealing with internal tariffs from participating in the larger Canadian economy.

Uniting landback with a Quebecois sovereignty movement largely favoured by the left-wing would serve a dual-purpose of weakening the Canadian superstructure, and allowing a meaningful step towards Indigenous sovereignty as well. Under the federal government, landback will continue to be nothing more than meaningless platitudes, yearly apologies, and colonisers giving land acknowledgements about how grateful they are to continue to exploit their genocidal acquisitions. A smaller, separate government in Quebec would be easier for Indigenous people to contend with.

This raises, of course, the issue of further borderisation, which is an anti-Indigenous and racist practise that separates Indigenous people from their families, their traditions, and their lands, by imposing colonial borders between Mexico, the US, and Canada. All this to say, is that a sovereign Quebec would only be a stop-gap measure in what needs to be a widespread dismantling of colonial federal governments and a true landback.

Ah this is new information for me. Everything I learned about the movement came from a far right perspective, plus people kept freaking out about currency. Living in Alberta obviously influenced my Quebec information, I’ve never even heard of the FLQ, so thank you for this.

It is exactly the anti-immigration and anti-Muslim sentiment that made me believe the movement was majority reactionary (as in wanting to stop other cultures from mingling with quebecois), plus the fact Alberta’s movement is also severely reactionary.

I don’t know how Quebec would be able to separate in the first place considering the other provinces would fight like hell to keep them. Like I said, too many do not want to re-open the constitution.

This is a joke answer, but I think it would be incredibly funny to have a Latin American nation north of the U.S., since they speak French. It would make discourse surrounding “Latin American countries” incredibly confusing, and pretty funny.

In seriousness, it seems like sovereigntists are an eclectic bunch but skew centre-left to left-wing. It’s up to them to see it realized, but I support it as an idea as even in its worst form full independence would likely be a major blow to Canada and thusly empire. It seems like most of the communist movements in Canada support independence as well, so I’ll defer to them.

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Is Quebec able to sustain itself? Do they have power production and water filtering and water-gathering and food production capacity?

A significant proportion of electricity comes from the Churchill Falls project in Newfoundland, IIRC.

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