Vivaldi is the first browser to have its own Mastodon instance, Vivaldi Social. Now it is the first to integrate Mastodon into its desktop version.

This is good for mastodon I’m sure which I like but I kind of feel like Vivaldi is a little over packed with stuff. I use it on mobile because Chrome made a change to the way tab groups where handled which I wasn’t a fan of and I feel like Firefox mobile kinda sucks. I used Mozilla on desktop for the longest time but recently switched after getting a new laptop because it just can’t properly sync my bookmarks between machines with the same account so I got tired and switched back to Chrome after swearing it off. I’d love to know a mobile browser in the chromium family that has proper syncing for the account and has both a good desktop and mobile experience. I just found Vivaldi overwhelming with all the extra crap I didn’t want.

You can hide in Vivaldi everythig which you don’t need, it’s all open to customize it, everything between a UI of an old IE and a panel of a combat jet. But yes, for some people the settings panel maybe somewhat overhelming, it’s the biggest of any browser. If you use it in you mobile, remember that you have a encrypted sync function in a own server, not the one of Google, because of this it’s also logical to use the desktop version, if not, at least the sync function is also a good way to use it for backup (bookmarks, settings, notes , passwords, etc.), if you lose the mobile or you buy another one. But don’t forget the sync password, not even Vivaldi know it nor your stored data which is full encrypted, if you lose your password, you lose your synced data, no recovering mail.

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Unfortunately it does so by forcing you to join the new Vivaldi instance which one person on Mastodon referred to as the most commercial one. He also said the login process is complicated. I gave up and deleted it after realizing I couldn’t login to my own instance

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You can use other instances. You just have to click the + below where the Vivaldi instance icon is and enter the address of the instance you want. Then just sign-in from there and it works the same.

They show you how on this page: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-5-6-on-desktop/

Edit: To add the link to the site that shows how to add other instances.

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Thanks for clearing that up.

The Vivaldi instance alow to enter with the general Vivaldi account. It’s made for the Vivaldi user, who can use this social network without an extra account. I’ve a Mastodon account in other instance and a Vivaldi social account with my Vivaldi account.

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I don’t really see why most people would have any interest in this browser’s feature then. I know I have no interest in an account on the Vivaldi instance. A better and more popular feature might be a generic mastodon log in to the instance you already use imho

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I think a lot of Vivaldi users already enjoys it, at least that what’s it looks like from interacting with them. The setup isn’t for me either, but I understand why certain user segments would like it.

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I understand. When I downloaded it I thought it was just a new browser, not meant for users of a specific instance. Would be great to have one connected to my instance so I see the appeal somewhat but it’s not a universal one as it seemed to be marketed.

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I’m willing to bet it’s the other way around: most Vivaldi users (or at least the ones that matter in terms of extending Mastodon userbase) don’t have a Mastodon account but have a Vivaldi account already (since they are already Vivaldi users).

I think the way they have done it is the most comfortable for new users. Specially considering that most likely it’ll be Vivaldi users coming to Mastodon, rather than the other way around (since there are better alternatives to Vivaldi for those who value FOSS, which is common in early Mastodon users).

And as mentioned in other comment, you can actually use third party Mastodon accounts, even if the option is not obvious.

Vivaldi only can log someone in in the own instance in the own server, not in the instance of others. If you have a own Mastodon instance in your own server, do you want that another log someone in in your instance without your consent?

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Consent isn’t the issue. I want a browser that allows me to use it as I choose not as it does. I can log in to my instance on any other browser so why not here. We have different experiences and perspectives but please stop spamming me about Vivaldi .

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There’s always this:

I’m fine with them having somewhat preferential treatment for their own instance in their own browser.

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Had the set up been simpler I might have seen this but at this point I’m not likely to re-download it and use it. If someone else wants to that’s up to them, of course. I’m not alone in my disappointment / frustration as a non-Vivaldi user.

You can log in to your instance also in Vivaldi, without problems, as I said, Ive an account in another instance and a different in Vivaldi social and I can switch between one and the other without problems. I have no intention of spamming you with Vivaldi, and no, nobody pays me, I just clarify things as they are and they are not as it is said here, like saying that you cannot log in to another instance in Vivaldi, which is false, Vivaldi social is simply an instance as a service for the Vivaldi user, neither more nor less, which allows the user to access an instance without the need for a separate account, it does not prevent at all from using other instances separately, even from the same Vivaldi instance, from there you can also browse all instances and accessing ther with your corresponding logging data. Just as it is absurd that Vivaldi does not let you use it as you want, being precisely the browser that lets you do everything you want, more than any other current browser, this is precisely what differentiates it from others. If you don’t like it, then you simply don’t use it, but stop telling falsehoods.

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I don’t know how I feel about it. I like that it will encourage people to join. I don’t like that it isn’t a generic mastodon interface. However, if flickr and tumblr are coming, this Vivaldi’s way of doing is going to end up seeming pretty innocuous

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True. For me Vivaldi’s features are useless as i don’t want to make an alt on their instance. I can’t say for certain how much commerce they’d bring to the Fediverse. I agree that, as much as I like the idea of the Fediverse growing, allowing pre-existing corporations to Federate should be avoided and stopped for obvious reasons

Nothing of commerce, it’s simply a service for the Vivaldi user, same as the own blog and mailservice which include your Vivaldi account. You can download Vivaldi, create an account (it’s free) and you hve encrypted end2end sync, an own mail with 5Gb, a blogging platforma and now also the social network, which you can use right now, without further accounts. Apart the community forum.

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The “commerce” quote came from someone else on Mastodon who posts about social media / the Fediverse a lot. You don’t need to sell me on this so please stop. I don’t want a Vivaldi account, for reasons and the browser and its features didn’t impress me otherwise. I have all those things in places that I feel better about and are more useful. Feel free to use it and I hope you enjoy, though.

Everyone is free to use the browser they like, since everyone has their preferences, but it is absurd to complain about a service that Vivaldi offers to its users, if you do not want to use this browser. There are quite a few other instances on Mastodon where you can sign up. Maybe Mozill create one day also a own instance for its users, but I doubt it.

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I’m not complaining. I’m discussing. At this point, I feel like you’re badgering me and spamming me for having a difference of opinion. I’ve asked you not to sell me on it multiple times. It’s absurd that you continue the way you are as though you’re paid by Vivalidi. I downloaded it as a browser not knowing it wasn’t meant for me as you explain. That’s poor marketing and not my fault so I don’t appreciate the discussion getting to this point.

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It doesn’t matter where did the “commerce” quote came from, if you do not agree with that quote (or have no first hand knowledge) do not confront its criticism, and if you do agree with it then own up to it.

Throwing a complaint, then saying “I did not say it” and then trying to silence anyone that disagrees with that quote with “don’t sell me on this so please stop”, is a bit like throwing a stone and then running away, imho. You are the one who brought that quote to the conversation.

I don’t use Vivaldi (nor are interested to even try, for other reasons), and I don’t know if it’s true or not the “commerce” statement, but I’m willing to bet that any corporation that opens a new Mastodon instance is gonna “by default” face allegations of being “commercial” in its inception by many random opinionated people, even if the instance was so young that it had little content.

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I made clear what was opinion and experience and it was a discussion. re-framing any difference of opinion as a complaint isn’t a way that will make people want to listen to your opinion. This is is far too personal for some unknown reason. I also didn’t deny saying anything. I’m sorry this bothers you so much. I have every right in interactions to tell a person to stop selling me on it, as they were certainly doing, and I’m not sure what you expect to get out of this way of responding to me. Your other response was fine as it was informative but this is combative and personal and unncessary. Insulting me won’t make me interested in hearing what you have to say.

@RecycledAnonymous Then there are tech and moderation issues, 1) How will they moderate and federate? 2) Admin to use ratio? 3) Community social director? 4) Contributing funding/code to Mastodon development? 5) Scale issues? 6) Funding/Monetization? 7) Code of Conduct? 8) Terms of Service? 9 Data privacy compliant? 10) DMCA compliance? 11) Support for Signal? 12) Account and content export?

But I agree it is not useful if a user cannot specify their instance account.

Vivaldi social is moderated by the team (forum by volunteers), every federated instance has its own norm of conduct and moderators, Vivaldi also collaborate in the code and devs, monetiacion of Vivaldi don’t change (see Vivaldi business model), the TOS and PP is the same as in all Vivaldi services, no ads, no trackers, no sellings to third party companies, no Big Data companies, DMCA compilamce is these of an EU product (Vivaldi is an EU product, Iceland and Norway). The user can use the instance he want, Vivaldi only offers to the Vivaldi user a instance which he can use (or not) without the need to create a new account, this don’t exclude the use of other instances of the users choice.

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