Agreed, it will take a bit to convince people that it’s fine, but also plenty of people already eat food grown in sewage like the traditional fish ponds in places like Vietnam and India (there’s a great piece in low tech magazine on it, im sure people like the great people working on that will have a large place in dealing with environment and how we live after the revolution)
They never suggested we reduce the population, we can sustain what we already have easily with a rational planned economy, however we couldn’t have a significant increase, say 20 billion or something. Also, we probably won’t exceed 10 billion by much anyway since people have fewer children when their material conditions improve.
They probably haven’t heard about Lemmygrad. It’s rather difficult to post invitations to this site and get anyone to see it. I guess a lot of people didn’t see the original gzd post recommending places for refugees to go. Last I tried I got maybe one in a r/thedeprogram post while the rest stayed at neutral in karma. Maybe we should collectively reach out, collectively promote a single call to join so it looks more organic?
I agree, Clinton not only destroyed Serbia, opened Mexico and the Balkans up to neoliberalism, destroyed welfare, and gave a boost to the prison industrial complex, but he also was also a “skillful” groomer, using his authority over Monica Lewinsky to pressure her into an affair, and also being besties with Jeffrey Epstein. Also, I wouldn’t say there’ve been no good presidents, for example, Marx’s penpal Lincoln ended slavery.
Information about Nicaragua is rather hard to find on English internet, all I’ve been able to find on nationalization is that they expropriated the Somoza dictatorship and land held by the contras. Then they did land reform, encouraging people to make cooperatives. By 1991 40% of their GDP was from nationalized industry. Then the neoliberals took power for a few years and tried to privatize some things. After that the Sandinistas regained power, and apparently all we know about the last twenty years is “ebil commies rigging elections.” Im not sure where I found the solid half figure. I swear I found it in my research a couple months ago.
Agreed, don’t try to convince the most hardcore reactionaries or those who act in bad faith, just expose their flaws to the undecided. Here’s a relevant Sarte quote: “ Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
I’m gonna share this on quora and see how much they cope/overlook it.